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Old 09-17-2009, 07:38 PM   #16
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Heh - at an Obama health care rally today/yesterday/sometime depending on your time zone:

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Old 09-17-2009, 07:51 PM   #17
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I've noticed one positive that has come out of this healthcare debate.

Just like conservatives were tricked into defending the insurance companies they've always hated, they've been "tricked" into going on the record and saying they don't want to deny healthcare for those that cannot afford it.

Hannity and his ilk have changed their tune from a year ago when they were saying the "poor should get a job" etc well now they are saying, we don't want to deny healthcare to those that cannot afford it. It's basically one of those moments in evolution where they slowly ease up to the correct side of history. But I do think this a very small but important step.
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Old 09-18-2009, 01:01 AM   #18
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Interesting you say that, BVS:

O’Reilly backs government health insurance option - Daily Kos TV (beta)

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O’REILLY: The public option now is done. We discussed this, it’s not going to happen. But you say that this little marketplace that they’re going to set up, whereby the federal government would subsidize insurance for some Americans, that is, in your opinion, a public option?

OWCHARENKO: Well, it has massive new federal regulation. So you don’t necessarily need a public option if the federal government is going to control and regulate the type of health insurance that Americans can buy.

O’REILLY: But you know, I want that, Ms. Owcharenko. I want that. I want, not for personally for me, but for working Americans, to have a option, that if they don’t like their health insurance, if it’s too expensive, they can’t afford it, if the government can cobble together a cheaper insurance policy that gives the same benefits, I see that as a plus for the folks.
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He was able to say that on Fox?

Anyone else feel the ground getting a little colder?
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if O'Reilly did indeed say that, i applaud him for it -- not for the opinion, but for his bravery in stating his opinion on Fox.

i also wonder if O'Reilly -- shrewd businessman that he is -- is looking at the very, very ugly id of the Right right now (Hannity, Beck, Malkin, Limbaugh) and thinking of ways to distinguish himself from them as they continue to debase themselves. this paranoia won't last long, or it won't have mass appeal, and perhaps after the self-immolation, O'Reilly will remain standing as the "authentic" conservative who actually appeals to some moderates and independents.
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You know things are bad when O'Reilly looks like the most sane person on the crazy train. I think he just looked bad before all the real crazies came out. So now he seems warm and cuddly and safe.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.

"We're losing more Americans every day because of inaction ... than drunk driving and homicide combined," Dr. David Himmelstein, a co-author of the study and an associate professor of medicine at Harvard, said in an interview with Reuters.

Overall, researchers said American adults age 64 and younger who lack health insurance have a 40 percent higher risk of death than those who have coverage.

The findings come amid a fierce debate over Democrats' efforts to reform the nation's $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare industry by expanding coverage and reducing healthcare costs.

President Barack Obama's has made the overhaul a top domestic policy priority, but his plan has been besieged by critics and slowed by intense political battles in Congress, with the insurance and healthcare industries fighting some parts of the plan.

The Harvard study, funded by a federal research grant, was published in the online edition of the American Journal of Public Health. It was released by Physicians for a National Health Program, which favors government-backed or "single-payer" health insurance.

An similar study in 1993 found those without insurance had a 25 percent greater risk of death, according to the Harvard group. The Institute of Medicine later used that data in its 2002 estimate showing about 18,000 people a year died because they lacked coverage.

Part of the increased risk now is due to the growing ranks of the uninsured, Himmelstein said. Roughly 46.3 million people in the United States lacked coverage in 2008, the U.S. Census Bureau reported last week, up from 45.7 million in 2007.

Another factor is that there are fewer places for the uninsured to get good care. Public hospitals and clinics are shuttering or scaling back across the country in cities like New Orleans, Detroit and others, he said.

Study co-author Dr. Steffie Woolhandler said the findings show that without proper care, uninsured people are more likely to die from complications associated with preventable diseases such as diabetes and heart disease.

Some critics called the study flawed.

The National Center for Policy Analysis, a Washington think tank that backs a free-market approach to health care, said researchers overstated the death risk and did not track how long subjects were uninsured.

Woolhandler said that while Physicians for a National Health Program supports government-backed coverage, the Harvard study's six researchers closely followed the methodology used in the 1993 study conducted by researchers in the federal government as well as the University of Rochester in New York.

The Harvard researchers analyzed data on about 9,000 patients tracked by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Health Statistics through the year 2000. They excluded older Americans because those aged 65 or older are covered by the U.S. Medicare insurance program.

"For any doctor ... it's completely a no-brainer that people who can't get health care are going to die more from the kinds of things that health care is supposed to prevent," said Woolhandler, a professor of medicine at Harvard and a primary care physician in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
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You know things are bad when O'Reilly looks like the most sane person on the crazy train. I think he just looked bad before all the real crazies came out. So now he seems warm and cuddly and safe.


this might be part of the business plan.

although, to his credit, and while, again, i think it's part of the business model, O'Reilly does distinguish himself from the undistinguishable anger of Beck/Malkin/Coulter/Limbaugh.

it's his demeanor that i find more offensive, and his posturing as some sort of avenging angel of the working class, as well as his aggressive and smug self-promotion.
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You can't trust anything that comes out of Harvard, they are a communist college according to Rush...
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That means 2,381,264 died with health insurance.
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That means 2,381,264 died with health insurance.
okay?
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Actually, he doesn't support a public option. He clarified what he meant on his show tonight:

"For example, the far-left is putting out that I am now supporting a public option in healthcare. That's all over the net. But that's not true. Here's the truth:

(plays aforementioned clip)

So I support a marketplace for private insurance companies overseen by the feds. Left-wing zealots distorted my remarks like they usually do"
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okay?
Ok, 45 million uninsured and we only lost 45k. Meh.
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So I support a marketplace for private insurance companies overseen by the feds.
Well in a way this shows his change of heart but it also shows his ignorance.

As shown by INDY's posts the "free market" doesn't really exist.

Will a truly informed conservative ever step up?

2861, do you know of anyone who has an educated conservative response?
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Ok, 45 million uninsured and we only lost 45k. Meh.
i don't see how that's okay at all but well, for lack of a better word, okay.
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