MANDATORY health insurance, part 2

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The amount of absolute butthurt I've witnessed via my Facebook friends' status updates has been astounding. You'd think Obama just... killed a baby.
 
my premiums have been going up an average of 33% a year without any government help.

thankfully, i had my accident after i became a paying member of BCBS, otherwise, i might be uninsurable.

that is just it
the Ins Companies can do what ever they want, and have been
people that argue for them in 2010? I don't get it.

But, with a National Health Bill people will expect congress to have some control.
 
he can multitask.
Multitasking and laser-like focus are oxymorons.

Multitasking is being president and commander-in-chief plus running the banks, home mortgage companies and car companies ingested by the government since Obama's inauguration. To which we can soon add the student loan program and our nation's health care system.
as ever: what can't O do?
No Olympics for Chicago. No climate treaty.

Has he lowered the sea levels yet? How about created anything other than government jobs?
 
I've watched most of this debate on C-Span today.

There are a couple of real fringe, whack jobs in Congress. pandering to the paranoid masses out there.

I guess they were not done, yet.


Reporters in the House chamber said the “baby killer” shout seemed to come from a group of lawmakers that included Rep. John Campbell (R-Calif.), but he said it wasn’t him. “I don't think it’s appropriate at all," Campbell told POLITICO.

Campbell said the voice came from the floor – from someone who was behind him and to the left. "Some people know who it is but won't say,” he added.

Later, he told reporters that he thought the voice belonged to one of the Texas Republicans seated behind him. "The people who know won't give it up," he told reporters. "I'm not casting dispersions on that state."

Texas Republican Rep. Joe Barton said he heard the shout but wouldn't say who was responsible.

"I can make a guess," Barton told reporters.

House Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey (D-Wis.), who was in the chair at the time, said he saw a Republican lawmaker shout out “baby killer” – but he wouldn’t say who it was, either.

"I think members have a right to make an idiot of themselves once without being exposed," he said.

House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.), who was subjected to an anti-gay epithet from a protestor Saturday, said the "baby killer" shout showed the close alignment between the GOP and some of its most extreme allies in the health care fight.

"The difference between some of the Republicans and some of their raucous followers appears to be, unfortunately, diminishing," Frank said. "Obviously, that's not the whole party, but there's a disturbing tendency to forget about civility."


Read more: Bart Stupak called 'baby killer' on House floor - Jake Sherman and Meredith Shiner - POLITICO.com
 
someone called it soviet style heathcare.

question for the historians, because i seriously don't know. at what point was everyone in the soviet union provided government supported healthcare?

That was the whole point of socialism - I imagine there were instances where some people didn't get covered, but the one of the concepts of the Soviet Union was health care for all.

However, there were no insurance companies, no private hospitals, just the state, which is a huge difference.

Many European countries (including my own) has a government-owned, government-run health care system, with a private option for those who want it (and can afford it). If "Obamacare" is "Soviet style" then I guess I'm living in North Korea...

Just want to share my enthusiasm for this bill, even though I live in Denmark and this has nothing to do with me, I genuinely believe that all Americans will benefit from this legislation. A big congratulations to Obama and Pelosi and every U.S. citizen from me. :up:
 
No Olympics for Chicago. No climate treaty.

And I'll be quick to note that unless you're joking, I don't think anything could have gotten the Olympics to Chicago, and if Obama couldn't push through a climate treaty, I don't think anyone could.

(Or maybe Copenhagen and President Obama just don't mix very well.)
 
That was the whole point of socialism - I imagine there were instances where some people didn't get covered, but the one of the concepts of the Soviet Union was health care for all.

However, there were no insurance companies, no private hospitals, just the state, which is a huge difference.

Many European countries (including my own) has a government-owned, government-run health care system, with a private option for those who want it (and can afford it). If "Obamacare" is "Soviet style" then I guess I'm living in North Korea...

i knew what the point of socialism was :wink: i've just never studied the necessary history to know if the slightly busted ass soviet union ever pulled it together. your second paragraph addresses my question perfectly, thanks :)

and it sounds like the healthcare system in my country. the public option isn't ideal, but it's a damn sight better than being bankrupted should i get cancer through no fault of my own.
 
Just want to share my enthusiasm for this bill, even though I live in Denmark and this has nothing to do with me, I genuinely believe that all Americans will benefit from this legislation. A big congratulations to Obama and Pelosi and every U.S. citizen from me. :up:

Same here (though I don't live in Denmark). :)
 
Start de-friending, or at least start feed blocking.

That's what I'd do to you, frankly. Wait.

I can't defriend my cousins. But I can ignore their friends. Especially the two that have made gun references. I can't stand Pelosi either, but mentioning that a .45 is the first thought that comes to your head when you see her face is just a tad deranged.
Same with "I'm gonna buy my 9 millimeter insurance policy this weekend." :huh:

Who are you gonna shoot? Doctors? IDGI.
 
Because for the second time in 10 years the Democrats have had their way with something. :lol:
The drama, the drama!
 
if i already didn't feel like an indebtured servant already, i never have felt more ashamed to be an american than i do today, Sorry Grace, Daddy couldn't save you :(
 
How absolutely phony these GOP look going on about the lives of 'unborn' children, and in the same breath saying we can't afford health care for the borned.


That's what I was thinking watching that. As long as all the babies are born well let's let someone else worry about their neo natal care or their health care as children, adults, and seniors?

I don't know who yelled "baby killer" but it's just shameful. As shameful as the members of the public who yelled the n word at some Congressmen and called Barney Frank the f word on Saturday. That's the level of some of those people. And all those Republicans standing up talking about "armageddon" and that " freedom died today" and what makes America great died-blah blah blah. Yay for freedom to be rude and ignorant and to shout racist and homophobic slurs and to reduce a health care debate to that. As long as you've got yours I guess.

I turned on Fox after CNN mentioned the "baby killer" episode-no mention of it there that I could see.
 
if i already didn't feel like an indebtured servant already, i never have felt more ashamed to be an american than i do today, Sorry Grace, Daddy couldn't save you :(

:rolleyes:

When are you gonna join the rest of us in complaining about how a mismanaged and misguided war set us back trillions in the first place? Talk about cherry picking!
 
Especially the two that have made gun references. I can't stand Pelosi either, but mentioning that a .45 is the first thought that comes to your head when you see her face is just a tad deranged.
Same with "I'm gonna buy my 9 millimeter insurance policy this weekend." :huh:.

So maybe these are the Commie/Nazi Death Panels?

And I'll wager that these morons are "pro-life" as well. :tsk:
 
:rolleyes:

When are you gonna join the rest of us in complaining about how a mismanaged and misguided war set us back trillions in the first place? Talk about cherry picking!

Calm down....did you read my first sentence....IF I DIDN"T FEEL LIKE A SERVANT ALREADY>>>> learn to read, i didn't want the war either.... i resent being called a cherry picker and i don't feel as though I deserved that.
 
It's sad that now insurance companies can't cancel policies at will. Just SAD. :sad:


Apparently you have a different threshold for shame than some.

my grandmother was on medicare but got turned down for treatment (from uncle sam) after alzheimer's so where does that leave us? exactly
 
It's sad that now insurance companies can't cancel policies at will. Just SAD. :sad:


Apparently you have a different threshold for shame than some.

that is shameful as well, never said that it didn't. didn't like deficit spending then and i don't now. also, sarcasm sucks, thanks for that.
 
msnbc.com staff and news service reports
updated 48 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Sen. John McCain said Monday morning that Democrats have not heard the last of the health care debate, and said he was repulsed by "all this euphoria going on."

Appearing on ABC's "Good Morning America," McCain, who was President Barack Obama's GOP rival in the 2008 presidential campaign, said that "outside the Beltway, the American people are very angry. They don't like it, and we're going to repeal this."

McCain, who is in a tough Republican primary fight in his home state, said the GOP "will challenge it every place we can," and said there will be reprisals at the polls, in Congress and in the courts.
 
my grandmother was on medicare but got turned down for treatment (from uncle sam) after alzheimer's so where does that leave us? exactly

She got turned down for what kind of treatment? After a certain point there really is no treatment for alzheimer's.

Today I am proud, for maybe my children will grow up in a country where profits won't decide if someone lives or dies, and their friends' health won't be determined by what kind of job their friends' parents have.
 
She got turned down for what kind of treatment? After a certain point there really is no treatment for alzheimer's.

Today I am proud, for maybe my children will grow up in a country where profits won't decide if someone lives or dies, and their friends' health won't be determined by what kind of job their friends' parents have.



they turned down her application for treatment in a facility in Florida. Cigna, not medicare was willing to pay for some of the cost. to think that profits will never decide whether someone lives or dies will not likely live on planet earth...war is decided by profits, and so is health care, whether its run by the government or not. the government having any more power over where my money goes leads to more frustration. my state is bankrupt do to entitlement programs and so is uncle sam. i guess being fiscally irresponsible is the right thing to do. time to up my credit card limit and go to town, then others can pick up for my irresponsible spending...life is great, no accountablily for anyone at anytime. :up:
 
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