martha
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And that's why he brought up Hitler. No real answers, just scary, scary shit to make the average idiot believe that we're living in either Socialist Russia or Nazi Germany. Take your pick. Same thing.
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And that's why he brought up Hitler. No real answers, just scary, scary shit to make the average idiot believe that we're living in either Socialist Russia or Nazi Germany. Take your pick. Same thing.
diamond
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Why do Canadian doctors and nurses prefer to come to the USA for the their medical treatments when needed?
How many Mayo Clinics are in Canada?
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maycocksean
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Why is there an increasing trend in medical tourism, people from the United States going abroad to get medical treatment?
Thank you. . .
BVS
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Why do you believe everything Hannity tells you?
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What does this have to do with anything?
diamond
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Ummm..because lipo suction and over elective surgeries are cheaper outside of the USA?
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diamond
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I'm sure that your 40 million uninsured are really benefiting from the Mayo Clinic on a daily basis.
Toronto has probably the 3rd best pediatric hospital on this continent. Far better than anything you have out there living on the West coast, for example. And this is indicative of nothing really, but I felt like pointing it out in case you think we're all getting treated here in igloos by Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman.
Toronto has probably the 3rd best pediatric hospital on this continent. Far better than anything you have out there living on the West coast, for example. And this is indicative of nothing really, but I felt like pointing it out in case you think we're all getting treated here in igloos by Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman.
BVS
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I was hoping you could actually explain rather than just blindly bring up another myth, but I guess not...
diamond
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We don't like dumbing down services, rather we as Americans love our independence, freedom to choose what kind of service we want and the freedom of who, what and when to be charitable to.
All beautiful concepts.
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1. I've never heard of this phenomenon, and I know many doctors and nurses.
2. Obviously we don't have any Mayo Clinics here. We do, however, have many excellent treatment and research facilities that cater to just about any medical issue you could come up with.
3. After all the legitimate points I've come up with, this is the best you could do? A falsehood and something that's relevant to nothing?
Thanks for posting this.
Poor and lower middle class of America, the rest of yo' people don't want to be charitable to you at the moment. Sorry, but we have to honour their beautiful freedom to choose when and how they will extend a hand to you.
Have a nice day.
diamond
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diamond
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To be fair, the U.S. system, by nature of the sheer amount of money made, encourages more research and development into new medical treatments. But good luck having access to them, if your insurance doesn't cover it, because you'll never be able to afford it. And, yes, because of the sheer lack of affordability in the system, it breeds medical tourism to countries like India, where $100,000 surgeries in the U.S. cost closer to $10,000 instead.
National health care, in countries like Canada, are really great in that you never have to worry about a medical problem driving you into bankruptcy. It just flat out doesn't happen here. Plus, considering how the U.S. and other Western nations are starting to lean toward a "freelance" economy in many industries, which don't lend themselves to getting employer benefits of any kind, it's quite great knowing that you don't have to worry about finding a job with benefits. As a matter of circumstance, I was laid off four months ago, because the company that hired me is in very troublesome financial circumstances. Not long afterwards, I was hired as a long-term freelancer elsewhere. Knowing that my health care is covered irrespective of my job is tremendously liberating, and I don't think many Americans really appreciate what they're missing.
That's not to say that things are perfect here. In Ontario, at least (as I can't speak for the other provinces), prescriptions and dental aren't covered in the public system, although prescription costs are regulated (hence, the buses of American elderly patients going to Canada for their drugs). All in all, I like the fact that I never have to worry about getting sick and wondering if it's going to bankrupt me.
And, just for the record, since I travel semi-frequently back to the U.S., I maintain yearly travel insurance for emergency medical purposes that cost me something like $80 a year. I guess you can't be too careful, since a foreign medical emergency wouldn't be covered by the Canadian health care system.
National health care, in countries like Canada, are really great in that you never have to worry about a medical problem driving you into bankruptcy. It just flat out doesn't happen here. Plus, considering how the U.S. and other Western nations are starting to lean toward a "freelance" economy in many industries, which don't lend themselves to getting employer benefits of any kind, it's quite great knowing that you don't have to worry about finding a job with benefits. As a matter of circumstance, I was laid off four months ago, because the company that hired me is in very troublesome financial circumstances. Not long afterwards, I was hired as a long-term freelancer elsewhere. Knowing that my health care is covered irrespective of my job is tremendously liberating, and I don't think many Americans really appreciate what they're missing.
That's not to say that things are perfect here. In Ontario, at least (as I can't speak for the other provinces), prescriptions and dental aren't covered in the public system, although prescription costs are regulated (hence, the buses of American elderly patients going to Canada for their drugs). All in all, I like the fact that I never have to worry about getting sick and wondering if it's going to bankrupt me.
And, just for the record, since I travel semi-frequently back to the U.S., I maintain yearly travel insurance for emergency medical purposes that cost me something like $80 a year. I guess you can't be too careful, since a foreign medical emergency wouldn't be covered by the Canadian health care system.
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I just wanted to address this, because I've seen it mentioned several times - not just here, but in the media, etc.
Do you people honestly think we don't have choices regarding our treatment, or (another one I've seen) who we go to for treatment? We do. We can choose any GP we want, we can see any specialist we want, and doctors generally discuss treatment options with us, and we choose what we want. We're completely free to seek second opinions if we so choose. We're not limited at all.
VintagePunk
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Oh, so now there's a secret cabal of doctors and nurses stealthily crossing the border for medical treatment? This is right up there with the Birthers.
And actually, considering some are related to me, yes, I do think they'd tell me if they or any other professionals they know of did this.
randhail
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Actually, it's not so ridiculous because murder and other violent deaths are decreasing the average life expectancy in African American men. The life expectancy numbers are also somewhat misleading because of the classification different countries use. For example, what is considered to be an infant death in the US may not be compiled in numbers from Japan because the infant that died did not meet certain weight criteria. I know the numbers are useful to quote, but like most things, they need to be evaluated with some healthy criticism.
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We also have violent death up here. It probably affects very close to the same age, socio-economic and ethnic groups as it does down there. Granted, we don't have as much per capita, but we have some. So, we subtract Canada's violent death numbers from the US's, and then run the numbers for the US - do you still think that overall, it would skew your life expectancy numbers down in a statistically significant way? We also have drug-related deaths here too. I'm sure that some are avoided here though, because how many drug addicts in the US have health insurance?
Besides, we're not looking at life expectancy by ethnicity, we're looking at overall national trends.
Good point about how infant mortality numbers are arrived at, but I really can't see the methods being that different between the US and Canada, which is what we're discussing. I don't know this for sure, though, but I think it's a reasonable guess.
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randhail
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Without knowing specifics, violent death has to lower the numbers, but I'll admit probably not in a large way. It's the infant deaths that really bring down the life expectancy numbers in a significant way.
In my opinion, looking at national trends isn't as useful as comparing by ethnicity within a country. Obviously, a country like the US with a very heterogeneous population would be at a disadvantage when compared to the Scandinavian countries who have a more homogeneous population. From there you could throw in the socio-economic factors, heathcare access, etc. I guess I'm just not a fan of overall trends at the gross population level compared to more specific comparisons that take other factors into consideration. So yeah, I guess this doesn't necessarily add to the conversation, it's just me editorializing.
You're right that Canada and the US likely have similar methods for comparing infant death rates.
In my opinion, looking at national trends isn't as useful as comparing by ethnicity within a country. Obviously, a country like the US with a very heterogeneous population would be at a disadvantage when compared to the Scandinavian countries who have a more homogeneous population. From there you could throw in the socio-economic factors, heathcare access, etc. I guess I'm just not a fan of overall trends at the gross population level compared to more specific comparisons that take other factors into consideration. So yeah, I guess this doesn't necessarily add to the conversation, it's just me editorializing.
You're right that Canada and the US likely have similar methods for comparing infant death rates.
That's not true. OHIP covers foreign medical emergencies, but in limited amounts, as prescribed by regulation. This is why most people get supplemental insurance, to cover the difference.
For example,
VintagePunk
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Without knowing specifics, violent death has to lower the numbers, but I'll admit probably not in a large way. It's the infant deaths that really bring down the life expectancy numbers in a significant way.
In my opinion, looking at national trends isn't as useful as comparing by ethnicity within a country. Obviously, a country like the US with a very heterogeneous population would be at a disadvantage when compared to the Scandinavian countries who have a more homogeneous population. From there you could throw in the socio-economic factors, heathcare access, etc. I guess I'm just not a fan of overall trends at the gross population level compared to more specific comparisons that take other factors into consideration. So yeah, I guess this doesn't necessarily add to the conversation, it's just me editorializing.
You're right that Canada and the US likely have similar methods for comparing infant death rates.
Are you still in school? If so, how long do you have left?
Well, I did know this, but, effectively, $400 a day for an emergency surgery basically only covers a tiny fraction of what an American hospital would actually bill for the service. So I guess that's the distinction I was trying to make.
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financeguy
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Several, probably most, Scandinavian countries have had high immigration in recent years.
Yeah, you're screwed in the US. But I know people who had to get treatment while traveling through Eastern Europe, where the bills were so low that they ended up with no out-of-pocket expenses. So I guess it depends on your destination.
I know that when I was living and working in NYC, I avoided going to the doctor like the plague, regardless of the fact that I had medical insurance in the US. It would be less of a hassle and less of an expense to fly to Toronto and see a doctor than to chance going to one in Manhattan and getting stuck with an absurd bill.
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How many quotes did you get?
I didn't even bother, because the annual deductible exceeded the cost of a flight back.
Irvine511
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that sounds precisely like what the socialist Canadian government would want you to think.
randhail
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Are you still in school? If so, how long do you have left?
Yup, still in school - just started my last year. Find out where I'll be doing my residency in March and graduate in May.
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