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Old 09-10-2009, 09:52 PM   #961
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If Democrats are going to continue to use the example of Alabama having 85% of all it's policies with just one insurance company to illustrate the lack of competition (as Obama did in his speech tonight); can one person tell me why the Democrats will not support allowing Alabamians to buy insurance from private insurers in another state (which everyone is now restricted from doing)
And it's a legitimate beef. There are partial monopolies operating in most states. Blue Cross rules here in Maine.

Since the public option has been dropped like a hot potato, it seems like breaking down state-imposed barriers to private insurers would be an easy compromise.

I'm wondering the same as INDY, did the president mention this last night?
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It's not that easy. You would need to implement a national standard in order to do so... The "state-imposed" barriers were supported by the insurance companies.
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:07 PM   #963
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Not true and somewhat offensive.

But Indy. . .if you're going to insist that the free market and profit-making is unassailable and perfect, which while you may not actually believe that, but it certainly is the way you've come across--then it kind of IS true, isn't it?

As a Christian, I happen to believe in the free market not because it's "good" but because it harnesses one of the most powerful human impusles: greed. It's practical. It works. I won't argue that. That said, in a capitalist society we're all playing with fire, and we have to manage it--because untrammelled greed is going to be highly destructive in the end. Couldn't you concede where the thirst for profits has at least SOMEtimes been a bad thing? I'm sure Irvine and others would easily conceed that it's sometimes been a good thing too.

I see no reason to defend the free market as the answer to all questions, the solution to all problems, the correction for all that is wrong. . .It sounds a little like. . .well, you know. . .

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hi, martha. i made a similar comment. still waiting on a response.

We'll wait together, maybe play some cards.
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it's cause y'all got that direct democracy and want to live like socialists and be taxed like libertarians.
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it's cause y'all got that direct democracy and want to live like socialists and be taxed like libertarians.
What a frighteningly accurate description of my state.
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Glenn's been asked to back that up... guess what? Still waiting.
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Glenn's been asked to back that up... guess what? Still waiting.


he certainly likes to dress up in costumes, seems like a kind of sub/dom fetish thing with the nazi uniform and phallic symbols.
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I've thought that for years.
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I've thought that for years.

really no surprise, then, that Glenn is Mormon.

natch.
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really no surprise, then, that Glenn is Mormon.

natch.
At first I thought you said that Glenn is a moron. Which is also true.
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At first I thought you said that Glenn is a moron. Which is also true.


he's just an entertainer.
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It doesn't work well for everything - education, for instance.
Does the president know this?

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Nine figure salaries earned by health insurance CEOs can't be a good thing either.
Who earns that?
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Mad About Medicine: CEO Compensation: Who Said Health Care is in a Financial Crisis?

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United Health Group
CEO: William W McGuire
2005: 124.8 mil
5-year: 342 mil

Forest Labs
CEO: Howard Solomon
2005: 92.1 mil
5-year: 295 mil

Caremark Rx
CEO: Edwin M Crawford
2005: 77.9 mil
5-year: 93.6 mil

Abbott Lab
CEO: Miles White
2005: 26.2 mil
5-year: 25.8 mil

Aetna
CEO: John Rowe
2005: 22.1 mil
5-year:57.8 mil

Amgen
CEO: Kevin Sharer
2005:5.7 mil
5-year:59.5 mil

Bectin-Dickinson
CEO: Edwin Ludwig
2005: 10 mil
5-year:18 mil

Boston Scientific
CEO:
2005:38.1 mil
5-year:45 mil

Cardinal Health
CEO: James Tobin
2005:1.1 mil
5-year:33.5 mil

Cigna
CEO: H. Edward Hanway
2005:13.3 mil
5-year:62.8 mil

Genzyme
CEO: Henri Termeer
2005: 19 mil
5-year:60.7 mil

Humana
CEO: Michael McAllister
2005:2.3 mil
5-year:12.9 mil

Johnson & Johnson
CEO: William Weldon
2005:6.1 mil
5-year:19.7 mil

Laboratory Corp America
CEO: Thomas MacMahon
2005:7.9 mil
5-year:41.8 mil

Eli Lilly
CEO: Sidney Taurel
2005:7.2 mil
5-year:37.9 mil

McKesson
CEO: John Hammergen
2005: 13.4 mil
5-year:31.2 mil

Medtronic
CEO: Arthur Collins
2005: 4.7 mil
5-year:39 mil

Merck Raymond Gilmartin
CEO:
2005: 37.8 mil
5-year:49.6 mil

PacifiCare Health
CEO: Howard Phanstiel
2005: 3.4 mil
5-year: 8.5 mil

Pfizer
CEO: Henry McKinnell
2005: 14 mil
5-year: 74 mil

Well Choice
CEO: Michael Stocker
2005: 3.2 mil
5-year: 10.7 mil

WellPoint
CEO: Larry Glasscock
2005: 23 mil
5-year: 46.8 mil

Wyeth
CEO: Robert Essner
2005:6.5 mil
5-year: 28.9 mil
While not all are 9-figures (bearing in mind that these figures are 4 years old now...), I'd say they're all doing a bit better than merely living comfortably.
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