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Old 09-10-2009, 08:24 AM   #931
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i watched some of the speech and some of the before and after commentary on fox news. 3 times in a row during commercials the FIRST commercial was that one where the woman is bitching about the canadian healthcare that the government is trying to force on us. "say NO to government run healthcare!" pretty much 3 anti-healthcare reform commericals first during 3 commerical breaks.

no, thats not biased at all.

we wouldnt want to take money out of the insurance companies and the politicians they pay off pockets would we?
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So, if an "illegal" (and really, are people somehow "illegal"?) needs medical care, we let him die on the street? I'd like a real answer from someone, please. Anyone.
yes, a non-US citizen entering the country anywhere other than a designated port of entry, and without being inspected at entry is breaking the law. hence the term "illegal." we call them EWIs - entered without inspection.

i guess if we have to pay for healthcare for people in jail and prison, whats the difference. yes, they shouldnt be here, but it's not the American way to let people "die in the street", although the insurance companies dont feel the same way, even towards our own citizens.

take the money we blow overseas and spend it on border security (and other things) instead. then we wont have an "illegal" problem.
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:42 AM   #933
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I realise that's just a minor detail....
Details are for socialists! Hardcore gun toting, meat straight from the cow eating, homobashing, science denying, why can't everyone be like me Americans don't need details, and they are the real Americans.
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yes, a non-US citizen entering the country anywhere other than a designated port of entry, and without being inspected at entry is breaking the law. hence the term "illegal." we call them EWIs - entered without inspection.
People are not "illegal." They do things that are illegal, but they are not illegal.

It's easier to think of them as not deserving proper treatment as humans if we can think of them as illegal.
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but it's not the American way to let people "die in the street",
You can't tell that from some of the responses here and around the country.
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i watched some of the speech and some of the before and after commentary on fox news. 3 times in a row during commercials the FIRST commercial was that one where the woman is bitching about the canadian healthcare that the government is trying to force on us. "say NO to government run healthcare!" pretty much 3 anti-healthcare reform commericals first during 3 commerical breaks.

no, thats not biased at all.

we wouldnt want to take money out of the insurance companies and the politicians they pay off pockets would we?
We saw that. Full of misrepresentations of the truth.

It's actually conceivable that one individual specialist is booked up months ahead of time, but you know what? That woman would have had the right to check with as many specialists as she wanted to, in order to see if someone could have seen her sooner. We've actually run into something similar. My mom was seeing this cardiologist, but he was impossible to get into in a timely manner. We told her family doctor, and his exact words were "if you can't get in to see him when you need to, it doesn't matter how good he is, he's not helping you." So, he found her someone else, she was able to get in to see the second doctor within a few days, and everything was fine.

I rolled my eyes through that commercial last night. I wonder how many Americans thought it was completely accurate.
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I rolled my eyes through that commercial last night. I wonder how many Americans thought it was completely accurate.
Probably the same number who think Obama's a socialist.
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Probably the same number who think Obama's a socialist.
Honestly, it's no wonder. I've heard some crazy things about Canadian health care via American cable news, from commentators right through to actual politicians, the latter of whom are supposed to offer some degree of truth and accuracy, and when they tell such bold face lies, it's not difficult to imagine why many Americans are scared shitless of Canadian-style health care.
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By HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON – The Census Bureau reports that the number of people lacking health insurance rose to 46.3 million in 2008.

That's up from 45.7 million in 2007, due to a continuing erosion of employer-provided insurance. Still, the level remained just below the peak of 47 million who were uninsured in 2006, because of the growth of government insurance programs such as Medicaid for the poor.

The nation's poverty rate increased to 13.2 percent, up from the 12.5 percent in 2007. That meant there were 39.8 million people living in poverty. It was the highest rate since 1997.

The statistics released Thursday cover the first full year of the current recession.

The median — or midpoint — household income declined slightly to $50,303.
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People are not "illegal." They do things that are illegal, but they are not illegal.

It's easier to think of them as not deserving proper treatment as humans if we can think of them as illegal.
California is bankrupt, should the rest of the country follow? Forget health care for a moment. What has illegal immigration done to your education system, once the best in the nation? A 25% illiteracy rate for one, double what it was a generation ago.

Tell us about prop 187 as well and what happened.
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This is partly a farse, and partly misunderstood.

I have BCBS Illinois, but live in TX, due to my employer's corporate office in Illinois.

In some aspects my plan is much better than most of those living in TX, but in other ways it's very limited compared to a plan I would purchase in TX.

The not being able to buy from state to state is mainly set up by the insurance companies themselves. Go "free market"!

Why? Take podiatry for example: podiatry in TX is defined by any procedure from the forefoot to an inch above the ankle, Georgia is up to right under the knee, and Ohio is just the forefoot the ankle isn't included. (now these may not be exact by state) But the point being is that regulations differ from state to state so in order for the insurance companies not to be screwed they worked collectively and compromised on regulations not allowing some policies to be sold state to state.
Thanks, at least I got one response to a question.

BVS, if insurance companies have "set up" the current system, if you and everyone else really want to punish insurance companies... make them ALL compete against each other. Let's do away with government protected monopolies. As a consumer, if Burger King had a monopoly in your state would you rather be given the second choice of eating a government hamburger at your local middle school or have the market opened up to private competitors like Wendy's and McDonalds?

Your podiatry example about differing regulations is very interesting but it shouldn't be a barrier to selling health insurance or taking your insurance with you if you move to another state. After all, insurance coverage is accepted by providers across state lines if you need treatment while on vacation.
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Thanks, at least I got one response to a question.

BVS, if insurance companies have "set up" the current system, if you and everyone else really want to punish insurance companies... make them ALL compete against each other. Let's do away with government protected monopolies. As a consumer, if Burger King had a monopoly in your state would you rather be given the second choice of eating a government hamburger at your local middle school or have the market opened up to private competitors like Wendy's and McDonalds?


because the competition for profit and the drive to meet Wall Street expectations doesn't make for good health care.
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Old 09-10-2009, 01:36 PM   #943
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Thanks, at least I got one response to a question.
Right. It sucks when your questions go unanswered.

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BVS, if insurance companies have "set up" the current system, if you and everyone else really want to punish insurance companies... make them ALL compete against each other. Let's do away with government protected monopolies. As a consumer, if Burger King had a monopoly in your state would you rather be given the second choice of eating a government hamburger at your local middle school or have the market opened up to private competitors like Wendy's and McDonalds?
It's not about punishing insurance companies. It's about finding a system where greed doesn't dictate who stays or gets healthy, period. My life is not like a fucking hamburger. I don't care if greed dictates hamburgers, I can find an alternative.

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Your podiatry example about differing regulations is very interesting but it shouldn't be a barrier to selling health insurance or taking your insurance with you if you move to another state. After all, insurance coverage is accepted by providers across state lines if you need treatment while on vacation.
If your policy is designed in Ohio where a bunionectomy is repaired by a one screw procedure and your insurance company will reimburse per procedure, but then you go into Texas where they are allowed to use plates, the Ohio insurance company just screwed itself because they plan on a bunionectory costing x amount of dollars and not 3x amount of dollars.
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Comparisons of show-throwing journalists to jackass congressmen and health care to fast food sandwiches.

We've just about run out of ideas on this planet, haven't we?
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