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Old 09-07-2009, 01:44 PM   #871
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i know the man's integrity, and trust his first hand knowledge of the described events.
I'm sure this is how he saw it, but it really doesn't have anything to do with the discussion at hand.
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You do realize that the "death panels" provision in the bill, the one about end of life discussions, was actually originally drafted by a Republican, right Diamond?
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well smack him.
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Of course the natural follow up to my first statement is that if you were to actually read that provision in detail, you cannot in any legitimate, rational way come to the conclusion that the government is going to form "death panels" that decide which members of society are productive enough to keep alive.

But details are pesky, I know.
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But but but, reading and details are like really hard.
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Of course the natural follow up to my first statement is that if you were to actually read that provision in detail, you cannot in any legitimate, rational way come to the conclusion that the government is going to form "death panels" that decide which members of society are productive enough to keep alive.

But details are pesky, I know.
I've listened to medical doctors who have-and they have clarified many details, and I, like the majority of Americans are not happy with the Dr.'s understanding of this bill.

Truth be told, you like many here were all for passing the without even reading it, like 99% of our elected officials-who got rejected by the public, who in turned have been labeled different names by those on your side.

The major point is 80% of Americans are happy with their current medical insurance coverage, and Obama wants to reinvent the wheel when it's not broken. If anything most want to balance and realign the wheel -as needed.

Also the public will not be scared into passing bills now. After the strong armed passing of The Patriot Act, FISA, Mortgage, Auto, and Wall Street Bail Outs-we've had enough.

Has it ever occured to you that VA Hospitals are ran by our government and they absolutely suck? You want our government turning private hospitals into VA type hospitals? That's where we're headed if this passes. Also, even Obama admitted recently that FED EX and UPS are better mail carrier systems than the US Post Office, in which we're having a hard time keeping open in some places, anyone that wants to connect the dots can.

Go ahead, let the condscending remarks and name calling begin now.


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If you don't think healthcare is broken then you haven't stepped outside your bubble.

You really think the post office and UPS are comparable? When was the last time you got a letter via Fed Ex?

Where are these doctors you've listened to that have "clarified" the many details?

Now go ahead and let the ignoring of the real questions commense.
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If you don't think healthcare is broken then you haven't stepped outside your bubble.

You really think the post office and UPS are comparable? When was the last time you got a letter via Fed Ex?

Where are these doctors you've listened to that have "clarified" the many details?

Now go ahead and let the ignoring of the real questions commense.
The Drs have been on select cable TV programs, medical blogs and journals, WSJ-not places you frequent I gather.

The US Post Office is used for junk mail, and bills, everyone emails nowadays-nobody hardly uses the US mail for writing letters.

Holidays- many use UPS.

And the word is commence.

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and Obama wants to reinvent the wheel when it's not broken. If anything most want to balance and realign the wheel -as needed.



actually, what Obama has proposed is very modest and very centrist.
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The Drs have been on select cable TV programs, medical blogs and journals, WSJ-not places you frequent I gather.
You have no clue what I watch, don't pretend otherwise. But way to site a source, keep dodging that bullet, I'm sure someday we'll all forget that no one ever had a real opposition.
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The US Post Office is used for junk mail, and bills, everyone emails nowadays-nobody hardly uses the US mail for writing letters.
Exactly. So the comparison is moot. US mail is a victim of technology and times, nothing else.

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And the word is commence.
Like I've said before, you know the argument is weak, when you of all people start correcting spelling.
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The major point is 80% of Americans are happy with their current medical insurance coverage, and Obama wants to reinvent the wheel when it's not broken. If anything most want to balance and realign the wheel -as needed.
Does this statistic include the 50 million Americans who are NOT insured?

Does this statistic include the Americans that are insured but an unforeseen medical emergency forced them to go bankrupt?


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Has it ever occured to you that VA Hospitals are ran by our government and they absolutely suck? You want our government turning private hospitals into VA type hospitals? That's where we're headed if this passes. Also, even Obama admitted recently that FED EX and UPS are better mail carrier systems than the US Post Office, in which we're having a hard time keeping open in some places, anyone that wants to connect the dots can.

Go ahead, let the condscending remarks and name calling begin now.
Did Bill Kristol not admit that the government is doing a good job running health care for the armed forces and members of Congress?

And it's occurred and condescending.

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After the strong armed passing of The Patriot Act, ... and Wall Street Bail Outs-we've had enough.
You mean, the Republican bills that were "strong-armed" through?

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Has it ever occured to you that VA Hospitals are ran by our government and
And its are run.

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oh she got me..on sentence structure..
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oh she got me..on sentence structure..


perhaps you needed to listen to the President's speech this morning, sir.
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