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Old 09-01-2009, 03:35 PM   #751
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Except no one is doing that. I haven't heard one Republican calling for insurance reform and to tear down it's collectivism.

A champion for profit insurance companies is just championing the same exact thing but under big business rather than government, except that big business will deny a lot more.

It's something that's been brought up a thousand times and ignored 1001 times.
Maybe I'll try one more time, INDY, Bluer, etc why is ^^^^ this OK?
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Old 09-01-2009, 04:21 PM   #752
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Maybe I'll try one more time, INDY, Bluer, etc why is ^^^^ this OK?
You aren't listening then.

Reform I've talked about completely removes 3rd party payers for all but catastrophic care. Making healthcare insurance just like all other types of insurance you buy and HOPE YOU NEVER HAVE TO USE.

Crazy I know.
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Old 09-01-2009, 06:48 PM   #753
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You aren't listening then.

Reform I've talked about completely removes 3rd party payers for all but catastrophic care. Making healthcare insurance just like all other types of insurance you buy and HOPE YOU NEVER HAVE TO USE.

Crazy I know.
First of all, you are the only one bringing this up, there are no Republicans out there speaking about alternatives.

Secondly all that "innovation and research" you say will be gone underneath Obama's plan will surely fade faster underneath yours...
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You aren't listening then.

Reform I've talked about completely removes 3rd party payers for all but catastrophic care. Making healthcare insurance just like all other types of insurance you buy and HOPE YOU NEVER HAVE TO USE.

Crazy I know.
I get that concept and I use to even suggest it.

Like homeowners insurance or auto insurance.


problem is the model does not hold up.


those insurances don't pay for home repairs/ upkeep or auto repair / upkeep


But imagine if there were comprehensive home insurance (annual cost $3500) provided by employers for about 2/3s of the people
and when they needed a toilet replaced (an item that cost about $200) the home insurance co. billed $1000 and paid the plumber $650 and kept $350.

and that if the people that did not have this special insurance needed a toilet replaced and were told it would cost $1000.

when they said that was too high, they were told they were stupid for not having the good insurance, that costs $3500 a year


and the answer was, we have the best paid plumbers on the planet. Our toilets are the best. No one designs better toilets. don't interfere with capitalism,


yes $1000 is a lot to pay for a toilet, and our plumbers earn 2 1/2 times the world average,
because we give a shit.
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yes $1000 is a lot to pay for a toilet, and our plumbers earn 2 1/2 times the world average,
because we give a shit.
Loved it.

Senator Jim DeMint simplifies it for everyone:

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I think health care is a privilege," he said. "I wouldn’t call it a right."
There you have it.

Rich people to the Mayo Clinic, poor people to bankruptcy court and/or the cemetery. What's not to like?
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First of all, you are the only one bringing this up, there are no Republicans out there speaking about alternatives.
Then you weren't listening to john McCain during the campaign last year.

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Secondly all that "innovation and research" you say will be gone underneath Obama's plan will surely fade faster underneath yours...
Doesn't seem to be any lack of innovation in Lasik eye surgery, cosmetic surgery, veterinary medicine or other forms of care not traditionally covered by insurance and thus paid for out-of-pocket. They just keep getting better AND cheaper...because they have to. That is the way of competitive consumer-driven markets.

That is not the way of the rest of the health care system however, where cost is of little consequence once you're in the system and prohibitive to those outside the system.
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Then you weren't listening to john McCain during the campaign last year.
Either his plan sucked, or he didn't communicate it well because I don't remember anything remotely intelligent coming out of his mouth about healthcare.


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Doesn't seem to be any lack of innovation in Lasik eye surgery, cosmetic surgery, veterinary medicine or other forms of care not traditionally covered by insurance and thus paid for out-of-pocket. They just keep getting better AND cheaper...because they have to. That is the way of competitive consumer-driven markets.
But you've been shown before boob jobs are different from heart transplants and compound fractures. You have to understand that, don't you?

Your plan doesn't work because if a kid just out of college has his first job, wants to be productive then bam t-boned the second week of his new job, I don't think the $10 he's saved up is going to cover his broken femur. Plus your plan doesn't work for pre-existing conditions, long term care, people who need medicines for a lifetime... but it works well for boob jobs
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but it works well for boob jobs
Now, honestly, does anything else even matter?


Oh, right, health care. Uh... carry on.

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Doesn't seem to be any lack of innovation in Lasik eye surgery, cosmetic surgery, veterinary medicine or other forms of care not traditionally covered by insurance and thus paid for out-of-pocket. They just keep getting better AND cheaper...because they have to.


what do all these things have in common, INDY?
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what do all these things have in common, INDY?
This really is the ultimate in bubble thinking isn't it?
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so...i can't get free lipo, even if i live in socialist canada? but what about my thunder thighs!
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No. Sorry. Here in Canuckistan, surgeries considered cosmetic - like breast implants and laser eye surgery - are paid for out of pocket, while a triple bypass is performed by a fellow comrade, and paid for by the motherland.
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On the other hand, I would give considerate thought to boycotting a product of theirs called Same-Sex Marriage Double Banana & Nut Vanilla Custard.
You must have like ESPN or something:


Ben & Jerry's "Hubby Hubby" celebrates gay marriage
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You must have like ESPN or something:


Ben & Jerry's "Hubby Hubby" celebrates gay marriage
Liberals are nothing if not predictable.

I like my name more though.
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Liberals are nothing if not predictable.

I like my name more though.


i like how B&J showcased the diversity that exists in the gay community by showing gays who don't have 6% bodyfat.
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