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Old 06-11-2009, 05:15 PM   #61
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Some people have the opposite effect to anti-histamines and it actually makes them very alert and jumpy...sort of like caffeine.

Interestingly or not, that is the effect I have with alcohol. Whereas everyone else passes out, I am so wired when I'm drunk that I frequently don't sleep that night at all. It's an uncommon reaction, but it happens.

Regarding prescription sleep aids, I actually prefer using an anti-anxiety medication like Ativan (at high doses it's used for insomnia, at low doses, for anxiety) than an outright sleeping pill (although Lunesta has worked very well for me). They feel more natural in the sense that they really relax you and so you feel tired and groggy and fall asleep. The sleeping pills knock you out cold in no time and it's a bit artificial for my liking.
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My problem is that I sleep for about 4 or five hours and then BAM, I wake up and it either could be over for the night, or I wake up every hour after that.
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I was thinking about resorting to this. Is it that bad?


for me, i feel like i'm awake and asleep at the same time and i wake up and i'm exhausted and irritable.

but i'm a bit more advanced in my sleep issues -- for some, it probably works. i guess it's worth a try.
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From my unqualified POV, I'm imagining it is a combination of stress and adrenal issues, particularly when you mention falling asleep and being suddenly wide awake. The adrenal glands, in theory, get exhausted from all the stress hormones it must produce to keep up, thus allowing you to fall asleep in the first place, but once it "rests up" a bit, it goes back into overdrive, thus keeping you awake. I used to have many of these issues, but they have seemingly gone away. Omega-3, Magnesium, 5-HTP, and phosphatidylserine helped on a lot of this, personally.

Just in case you were interested...

i am. i take fish oil, but none of the rest of this. when do you take them? where do you get them?

i get huge surges of adrenaline when it's dark and quiet and i'm in my bed, would love to combat this with something other than ambien.
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I don't know enough about politics OR the health care sector to know the solution, but I do find it depressing that I can get better, faster, and more affordable care for my dogs than for myself. Yeah, I know the standards are different but still.....
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From my unqualified POV, I'm imagining it is a combination of stress and adrenal issues, particularly when you mention falling asleep and being suddenly wide awake. The adrenal glands, in theory, get exhausted from all the stress hormones it must produce to keep up, thus allowing you to fall asleep in the first place, but once it "rests up" a bit, it goes back into overdrive, thus keeping you awake. I used to have many of these issues, but they have seemingly gone away. Omega-3, Magnesium, 5-HTP, and phosphatidylserine helped on a lot of this, personally.

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I averaged about 3-4 hours a sleep a night for most of my life until I started seeing a clinical nutritionist a few years ago. My problem was that I couldn't fall asleep and then around 4AM I would finally have poor quality sleep until I had to get up for work or school. In addition to exactly the supplements you just mentioned, I was told I had an amino acid deficiency from what was then 15 years of vegetarianism so I added aminos. B6 in the form of P5P was also recommended. The very first night I added these supplements to my diet, I slept 10 hours. No kidding. And I have slept extremely well, consistently, ever since. The results for me were astonishing - immediate and lasting with continued supplementation. I go on and off them now.
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Huh.
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P5P works pretty damn well. I use it on the nights I don't want the melatonin drugged feeling.

Although I love the melatonin drugged feeling.
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P5P works pretty damn well. I use it on the nights I don't want the melatonin drugged feeling.

Although I love the melatonin drugged feeling.
I love P5P so much I kind of almost OD'd on it, popping it like a sleeping pill even when I didn't need it. I like it because it enhances my dreams (you remember those lucid Radiohead dreams I was having? P5P, baby ). One day I started getting some tingling in my feet. I started to panic because I know so many people with MS and this was how it started. I did a little research and figured out it was too much B6. I stopped taking it every day and the tingling went away. Too much of a good thing.
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what is P5P and where can i get it?
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we need mandatory Marriage Insurance,
if we are going to save this country.
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what is P5P and where can i get it?
When you and Memphis come out to visit, I'll take you to dinner at Mother's, a health food store nearby. They have it.



But you can probably get it at a health food store where you live.
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what is P5P and where can i get it?
Whole Foods. It's a form of B6. I forget why P5P is better to take than B6 but there's a reason.
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When you and Memphis come out to visit, I'll take you to dinner at Mother's, a health food store nearby. They have it.
I ate there, didn't I?
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I think you did.

They used to have a hot little stoner busboy, but he left.

I burned him a bunch of RH boots to make him smile.

We won't talk about how much younger he was than I am.
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