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Old 08-26-2009, 04:55 PM   #616
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The babies born in hospital corridors: Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets
By Jenny Hope and Nick Mcdermott

Thousands of women are having to give birth outside maternity wards because of a lack of midwives and hospital beds.
The lives of mothers and babies are being put at risk as births in locations ranging from lifts to toilets - even a caravan - went up 15 per cent last year to almost 4,000.
Health chiefs admit a lack of maternity beds is partly to blame for the crisis, with hundreds of women in labour being turned away from hospitals because they are full.
Latest figures show that over the past two years there were at least:

63 births in ambulances and 608 in transit to hospitals;

117 births in A&E departments, four in minor injury units and two in medical assessment areas;

115 births on other hospital wards and 36 in other unspecified areas including corridors;

399 in parts of maternity units other than labour beds, including postnatal and antenatal wards and reception areas.
Additionally, overstretched maternity units shut their doors to any more women in labour on 553 occasions last year.
Babies were born in offices, lifts, toilets and a caravan, according to the Freedom of Information data for 2007 and 2008 from 117 out of 147 trusts which provide maternity services.
One woman gave birth in a lift while being transferred to a labour ward from A&E while another gave birth in a corridor, said East Cheshire NHS Trust.
Others said women had to give birth on the wards - rather than in their own maternity room - because the delivery suites were full.
Tory health spokesman Andrew Lansley, who obtained the figures, said Labour had cut maternity beds by 2,340, or 22 per cent, since 1997. At the same time birth rates have been rising sharply - up 20 per cent in some areas.
Mr Lansley said: 'New mothers should not be being put through the trauma of having to give birth in such inappropriate places.
'While some will be unavoidable emergencies, it is extremely distressing for them and their families to be denied a labour bed because their maternity unit is full.
'It shows the incredible waste that has taken place that mothers are getting this sort of sub-standard treatment despite Gordon Brown's tripling of spending on the NHS.
'Labour have let down mothers by cutting the number of maternity beds and by shutting down maternity units.'
The NHS employs the equivalent of around 25,000 full-time midwives in England, but the Government has promised to recruit 3,400 more.
However, the Royal College of Midwives estimates at least 5,000 more are needed to provide the quality of service pledged in the Government's blueprint for maternity services, Maternity Matters.

Jon Skewes, a director at the Royal College of Midwives, said: 'The rise in the number of births in other than a designated labour bed is a concern. We would want to see the detail behind these figures to look at why this is happening.
Care services minister Phil Hope said: 'The number of maternity beds in the NHS reflects the number of women wanting to give birth in hospital. Giving birth can be unpredictableand it is difficult to plan for the exact time and place of every birth.
'Local health services have plans to ensure high quality, personal care with greater choice over place of birth and care provided by a named midwife.
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And this has to do with healthcare in the states how? We'd have to really overpopulate at an alarming rate to ever have this problem...
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If Ted Kennedy was living in England under their NHS he would be alive now.
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See my Ben & Jerry example. I don't care if they're tie-dyed liberal hippies. Their busness model works and they're a net plus to the economy.

And Ben & Jerry's is sure preferable to a state-run/tax-subsidized/one-flavor-fits-all/we-decide-if-you-need-it-or-not ice cream store.
Right, you did say that.

But don't you agree that it's the right of all citizens on either side of the political spectrum to choose to support or not support businesses as they see fit? If only we were all as politically blind as you.


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Latest figures show that over the past two years there were at least:

63 births in ambulances and 608 in transit to hospitals;

117 births in A&E departments, four in minor injury units and two in medical assessment areas;

115 births on other hospital wards and 36 in other unspecified areas including corridors;

399 in parts of maternity units other than labour beds, including postnatal and antenatal wards and reception areas.
Additionally, overstretched maternity units shut their doors to any more women in labour on 553 occasions last year.
Babies were born in offices, lifts, toilets and a caravan, according to the Freedom of Information data for 2007 and 2008 from 117 out of 147 trusts which provide maternity services.
One woman gave birth in a lift while being transferred to a labour ward from A&E while another gave birth in a corridor, said East Cheshire NHS Trust.
Others said women had to give birth on the wards - rather than in their own maternity room - because the delivery suites were full.
So essentially, what this article is saying is that sometimes babies come when they decide to come, and it's not always at an opportune place. Also, sometimes maternity wards are full, so mothers in labour are moved to other hospital rooms and wards, or, on rare occasions, sometimes other hospitals.

It's really not that hard to parse that from the "oh noez!!! Mothers are giving birth to babies in the streets cause the health care system is inadequate and failing them!!11!!" implied tone of this piece.

And if a poor or working class person could have the healthcare they needed without jumping through hoops or bankrupting themselves, I'd gladly give birth in a hospital, but outside of the maternity ward.
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So essentially, what this article is saying is that sometimes babies come when they decide to come, and it's not always at an opportune place.
Yeah, that part cracked me up. It's such a fuzzy math shit way of reporting statistics.
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Yeah, that part cracked me up. It's such a fuzzy math shit way of reporting statistics.
Yes. The implication is that hospital staff are yelling at mothers-to-be "WE HAVE NO ROOM FOR YOU! GO GIVE BIRTH IN THAT BATHROOM OVER THERE!"
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If Ted Kennedy was living in England right now under their NHS he would be much better off than he is here.
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Yes. The implication is that hospital staff are yelling at mothers-to-be "WE HAVE NO ROOM FOR YOU! GO GIVE BIRTH IN THAT BATHROOM OVER THERE!"
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That would be at individual hospitals. And I'm sure it wouldn't be women for whom birth was imminent. So, they'd be sent to another hospital in the area.

553 women out of how many...? And how many of those 553 made it to another hospital and gave birth without incident?
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Yes. The implication is that hospital staff are yelling at mothers-to-be "WE HAVE NO ROOM FOR YOU! GO GIVE BIRTH IN THAT BATHROOM OVER THERE!"
Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on, but what passes as a meaningful "statistic" these days is pretty embarassing.
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we could go back to no government provided or private health insurance and have people being born in barns

that was good enough for ...

oh never mind, this is the public market place of ideas
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we could go back to no government provided or private health insurance and have people being born in barns

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Sorry Mary, no maternity rooms at Bethlehem General Hospital. Try down the street at Saint (to be named in a couple a hundred years).
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Sorry Mary, no maternity rooms at Bethlehem General Hospital. Try down the street at Saint (to be named in a couple a hundred years).
Oh, that's funny. But tell me - how many babies are put at risk every year because of the US health care system? How many expectant mothers are foregoing prenatal care? How many don't give birth under proper circumstances? Why is your infant mortality rate higher than many other western nations, including those with socialized health care?
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Yeah, that part cracked me up. It's such a fuzzy math shit way of reporting statistics.
especially when any sitcom will tell you all babies are born in elevators during snow storms. with your mortal enemy as the only person there to assist.
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especially when any sitcom will tell you all babies are born in elevators during snow storms. with your mortal enemy as the only person there to assist.
If Zack Morris can do it, anyone can do it...
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