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Old 08-20-2009, 08:48 AM   #526
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Do you ever get tired of defending this asshole? I mean isn't there a point when your moral conscious kicks in and says this guy isn't worth defending sometimes?
Where was I defending what he said? What he said was immature. Happy? I was making a point that both sides engage in stupid 13-year old tactics. Like the whole "teabagging" thing? Ridiculous...

Do you think I agree with 100% of everything he says? Well I don't, so wise up.

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can you do anything other than get offended?
Excuse you, but when someone suggests that I'm stupid, potentially hijacking Christianity for political reasons, and "just not a good person" because I listen to Rush Limbaugh, then I have a problem with that. Somehow I get the feeling that if I had said when Earnie said, substituting Rush for Olbermann or Jon Stewart or God forbid Barack Obama, then 95% of this forum, you leading the charge, would have rushed in to challenge what I said.

Since you seem to be in the business of telling people how to feel, can you give me some examples of your recent posts in response to BVS and others stating how the GOP and the town hall protesters make them "honestly sad?" Give me a break. Don't you have anything better to do than going around being "sad" because of a political movement? Go on, Irvine. Tell them how they should feel and react instead.

I don't care how you feel about Rush or about me for that matter. To suggest that I'm not a good person because of a radio host I listen to is absurd. Earnie had the decency to halfway correct himself later, a trait I've never seen from you. If you find absolutely nothing wrong with what Earnie said- or worse, if that's how you go about living your life- then with all due respect, I pray to God our paths never cross, for my sake.

By the way, Rush made a dumb comment and I responded by pointing out dumb comments made by liberals recently. That's apparently bad. At a town hall the other day, Barney Frank was challenged on how much universal healthcare is going to cost, and on all the money we are borrowing from people my age. Rather than addressing the man's concern, he responded by pointing to the apparent waste of money that was the Iraq War. That's apparently acceptable. How does that make sense?
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I saw a whistleblower who used to work for Cigna on tv yesterday- I think it was MSNBC, not sure. He suggested that some of the town hall protesters could be health insurance company employees. There was a memo uncovered from some insurance company suggesting that employees do that.
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Since you seem to be in the business of telling people how to feel, can you give me some examples of your recent posts in response to BVS and others stating how the GOP and the town hall protesters make them "honestly sad?" Give me a break. Don't you have anything better to do than going around being "sad" because of a political movement? Go on, Irvine. Tell them how they should feel and react instead.
I'm not sad because of the "political movement" but the caliber of uninformed individuals that are making up this movement, and I would think it would make you sad as well, or at least a little embarassed. I think "the movement" would get a lot more respect if it had some informed mouthpieces.

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By the way, Rush made a dumb comment and I responded by pointing out dumb comments made by liberals recently. That's apparently bad. At a town hall the other day, Barney Frank was challenged on how much universal healthcare is going to cost, and on all the money we are borrowing from people my age. Rather than addressing the man's concern, he responded by pointing to the apparent waste of money that was the Iraq War. That's apparently acceptable. How does that make sense?
I think the difference is that Iraq war and healthcare are two very important issues. One conservatives are willing to turn their head and ignore where the money is coming from, but then all of a sudden they're concerned when it's an issue that the Dems brought up, that's called hypocricy, Barney just called them out on it.

I think what you did was try a tit for tat approach your guy says something completely assinine so you try and point out how the other side makes stupid comments as well... difference being that you are comparing someone who is considered a legit news source by some and worshipped and rallied under to a bunch of no name bloggers and cable news hosts.
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I saw a whistleblower who used to work for Cigna on tv yesterday- I think it was MSNBC, not sure. He suggested that some of the town hall protesters could be health insurance company employees. There was a memo uncovered from some insurance company suggesting that employees do that.
I'd believe it. I just found out that my dental policy was apparently "terminated" in December of 2008 but they've still managed (out of the goodness in their hearts) to cash all eight payment checks since then.
You can't get more crooked than an insurance company, so let's stop defending them and attacking each other. We know where the real targets are:


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At a town hall the other day, Barney Frank was challenged on how much universal healthcare is going to cost, and on all the money we are borrowing from people my age. Rather than addressing the man's concern, he responded by pointing to the apparent waste of money that was the Iraq War. That's apparently acceptable. How does that make sense?

Why is it that deficits are good to fight wars and bad to help US citizens? Suddenly the Republicans are all about controlling deficits. It's just a little suspect, you know.
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You can't get more crooked than an insurance company, so let's stop defending them and attacking each other.
Add Safeco to that gif.
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I know. Neighborhood isn't even on it. I was really just looking for a pic with Cigna in it, since they are the main perpetrators.
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Excuse you, but when someone suggests that I'm stupid, potentially hijacking Christianity for political reasons, and "just not a good person" because I listen to Rush Limbaugh, then I have a problem with that. Somehow I get the feeling that if I had said when Earnie said, substituting Rush for Olbermann or Jon Stewart or God forbid Barack Obama, then 95% of this forum, you leading the charge, would have rushed in to challenge what I said.

Rush made a dumb comment and I responded by pointing out dumb comments made by liberals recently



so the answer is "no," then?
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Poll: Nearly Half Of Americans Believe “Death Panel” Falsehood | The Plum Line

There’s a pretty striking finding buried in the new NBC/WSJ poll: It turns out nearly half of Americans believe the “death panel” fib.

The pollster read a series of predictions about the health care plan, and asked Americans whether they were “likely to happen” or “unlikely to happen.” In the “death panel” one, Americans were asked whether the health care proposal…

Will allow the government to make decisions about when to stop providing medical care to the elderly

Likely to happen: 45
Unlikely to happen: 50
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Hey half of America, do us a favor!!!

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Poll: Nearly Half Of Americans Believe “Death Panel” Falsehood | The Plum Line

There’s a pretty striking finding buried in the new NBC/WSJ poll: It turns out nearly half of Americans believe the “death panel” fib.

The pollster read a series of predictions about the health care plan, and asked Americans whether they were “likely to happen” or “unlikely to happen.” In the “death panel” one, Americans were asked whether the health care proposal…

Will allow the government to make decisions about when to stop providing medical care to the elderly

Likely to happen: 45
Unlikely to happen: 50
that is unbelievable...
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Old 08-20-2009, 11:21 AM   #538
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that is unbelievable...
Is it really though?

I'm not shocked.

We still have people in here who daily link Iraq with 9/11.
Those that believe Palin would be a good President.
Those that believe Dinosaurs and evolution are a hoax.
Those that believe global warming was made up to push a socialist agenda.

There's a good portion of humanity that just don't care to dig deeper than the headlines. And then there's a good portion of those that like to read deeper than the headlines but only believe that to which will benefit their own self interest.

I'm not shocked at all...

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Obama turns to faith leaders
By: Josh Gerstein
August 19, 2009 07:32 PM EST

With his health reform efforts on the ropes, President Barack Obama is courting the religious community with an unabashedly moral message that played little role in the White House’s earlier arguments for changing America’s health care system.

Speaking on a conference call Wednesday evening with what organizers estimated were 140,000 members of churches and religious groups, Obama also suggested that some critics of his health care proposals were violating the Biblical commandment against lying.

“I know there’s been a lot of misinformation in this debate and there are some folks out there who are, frankly, bearing false witness,” Obama said on the call, which was played out live on the internet. “I need you to spread the facts and speak the truth.”

The president faulted opponents of his proposals for circulating “ludicrous ideas” aimed at frightening the public about the prospect of reform.

“This notion that somehow we are setting up death panels that will decide whether elderly people get to live or die: that is just an extraordinary lie,” Obama said emphatically. He said a provision in House legislation that would authorize payment for end-of-life counseling was “entirely voluntary” and would simply put the poor or middle class on par with wealthier Americans.

“It gives you an option that people who can afford fancy lawyers already exercise,” the president said.

However, Obama seemed to concede that critics of his efforts had won the upper hand in the public relations battle. He said his opponents have succeeded in raising the fears of elderly Americans that reform to thehealth insurance system could jeopardize Medicare.

“Many of you have older members of your congregations. They’re all now scared to death that somehow we’re talking about cutting Medicare benefits,” Obama said. “That is, again, simply not true.”

In an odd bit of messaging, Obama urged the religious communities, many of which offer outreach and even sanctuary to illegal aliens, not to believe reports that health reform would cover foreigners in the U.S. illegally.

“That’s not true. It does not provide health insurance for those individuals,” Obama said.

Obama also insisted the plan would not provide government funding for abortion.

“These are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation: that is that we look out for one another, that I am my brother’s keeper, I am my sister’s keeper. In the wealthiest nation on earth right now, we are neglecting to live up to that call,” Obama said.

Obama did not take questions following his six-minute statement on the teleconference. However, earlier Wednesday he did take questions submitted in advance by Rabbis.

Religious metaphors and imperatives were in full force during the calls, which were part of an effort by religious groups to organize “40 days” of action for health care reform.

“We are God's partners in matters of life and death," Obama said during the call with Jewish leaders, according to a post on Twitter by Washington-area Rabbi Jack Moline.

During the afternoon call, Obama did not address the hottest issues in the health reform debate at the moment: whether the White House-backed plan will include a government-run health plan open to all Americans, known as the “public option.”

Before Obama spoke, his domestic policy adviser, Melody Barnes, did get a question about the president’s stance. She did not answer it immediately, but later returned to the subject. She assured participants that Obama still supports a public option, though she said there might also be other ways to reduce costs and give Americans more choices.

“He believes the public option is the best way to achieve those goals. He’s also said that he’s open to other good ideas,” Barnes said. “But, at this point, he thinks the public option seems like the best one and the best way to lower costs and increase competition”
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