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Old 08-19-2009, 07:06 PM   #496
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Ok, maybe I was a little harsh, I'm just tired of hearing people talk about how we have the best health care on the planet and even our poor get treated
Having worked with urban poor in L.A., it is heartbreaking and maddening to watch people dumped onto Skid Row in front of the Union Rescue Mission who've gotten kicked out of hospitals. I don't know what the answer is, but to advocate for the status quo is stupidity and suicide.

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The "covering the gaps" is a pretty big misconception, and many have it, it just sounded as if you were defending it... my apologies.
No defense here.
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Thousands of surgeries may be cut in Metro Vancouver due to government underfunding, leaked paper


BY DARAH HANSEN, VANCOUVER SUNAUGUST 18, 2009




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VANCOUVER — Vancouver patients needing neurosurgery, treatment for vascular diseases and other medically necessary procedures can expect to wait longer for care, NDP health critic Adrian Dix said Monday.

Dix said a Vancouver Coastal Health Authority document shows it is considering chopping more than 6,000 surgeries in an effort to make up for a dramatic budgetary shortfall that could reach $200 million.

“This hasn’t been announced by the health authority … but these cuts are coming,” Dix said, citing figures gleaned from a leaked executive summary of “proposed VCH surgical reductions.”

The health authority confirmed the document is genuine, but said it represents ideas only.

“It is a planning document. It has not been approved or implemented,” said spokeswoman Anna Marie D’Angelo.

Dr. Brian Brodie, president of the BC Medical Association, called the proposed surgical cuts “a nightmare.”

“Why would you begin your cost-cutting measures on medically necessary surgery? I just can’t think of a worse place,” Brodie said.

According to the leaked document, Vancouver Coastal — which oversees the budget for Vancouver General and St. Paul’s hospitals, among other health-care facilities — is looking to close nearly a quarter of its operating rooms starting in September and to cut 6,250 surgeries, including 24 per cent of cases scheduled from September to March and 10 per cent of all medically necessary elective procedures this fiscal year.

The plan proposes cutbacks to neurosurgery, ophthalmology, vascular surgery, and 11 other specialized areas.

As many of 112 full-time jobs — including 13 anesthesiologist positions — would be affected by the reductions, the document says.

“Clearly this will impact the capacity of the health-care system to provide care, not just now but in the future,” Dix said.

Further reductions in surgeries are scheduled during the Olympics, when the health authority plans to close approximately a third of its operating rooms.

Two weeks ago, Dix released a Fraser Health Authority draft communications plan listing proposed clinical care cuts, including a 10-per-cent cut in elective surgeries and longer waits for MRI scans.

The move comes after the province acknowledged all health authorities together will be forced to cut staff, limit some services and increase fees to find $360 million in savings during the current fiscal year.

In all, Fraser Health is looking at a $160-million funding shortfall.

D’Angelo said Vancouver Coastal’s deficit is closer to $90 million — almost a third of which ($23 million) has already been absorbed through reductions in non-clinical administration efficiencies.

Vancouver Coastal performed 67,000 surgeries last year, an increase of 6,500 surgeries over 2007.

“What has now happened is that now our wait times are about 25 per cent lower than the provincial average,” D’Angelo said. “We have put a dent in that wait list.”

Brodie acknowledged surgical waiting times have dropped significantly in recent years, particularly for patients needing hip and joint replacements.

He said the proposed cuts threaten those advancements.

“It sounds like we are going backwards here,” he said.

Total health spending in British Columbia was $15.7 billion this year, up about four per cent over last year’s total of 15.1 billion, according to figures provided by the ministry of health.

Health Minister Kevin Falcon was unavailable for comment Monday on the proposed health-care cuts. A ministry spokesman said Falcon is away on his honeymoon until the end of August.

Elsewhere in British Columbia, the province will look to replace the head of the Interior Health Authority, Murray Ramsden, after he announced he will step down at the end of the year.

Ramsden has said his decision to retire is not related to financial problems faced by the authority.

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Surgeries get cut due to underfunding in our current system too
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Although I doubt she'll stop listening to Rush. He's just so correct about these things.
Rush response below. I'm not even sure where you begin with any comment on it. If you listen to this guy, congratulations, you’re at a very very special level of excess stupidity, and, well, I’m sorry but you need to be aware of the fact that you’re just not a good person, so time to perhaps have a re-think (if the ‘think’ part is possible), especially if you like to wrap these beliefs up in some foul, evil bastardisation of Christianity.

YouTube - Rush Limbaugh: "Rep Barney Frank Lives Around Uranus"

I mean you need quite a truly amazing the level of dumb to claim ‘Nazi’ over a fucking simple healthcare policy that virtually every other modern western democracy already has in place (or something similar), and then a truly amazing level of dickhead to respond to disagreement on that call with “Oh, well, you’re gay, so fuck you”.
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If you listen to this guy, congratulations, you’re at a very very special level of excess stupidity, and, well, I’m sorry but you need to be aware of the fact that you’re just not a good person, so time to perhaps have a re-think (if the ‘think’ part is possible), especially if you like to wrap these beliefs up in some foul, evil bastardisation of Christianity.
A little much, don't you think? I mean, really, that's quite unnecessary.
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A little much, don't you think? I mean, really, that's quite unnecessary.
Rush's comments are really quite unnecessary, too.
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Rush's comments are really quite unnecessary, too.
That isn't what I was referring to and you know it.

So since I listen to Rush on occasion, I'm stupid (no, wait, "very very" stupid), I'm unable to think, my Christian faith should be questioned, and I'm just not a good person? That's what I'm reading.

I know he's from Australia, but remind me again which political party traffics more in hate...
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That isn't what I was referring to and you know it.
Yes, I'm well aware of that.

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I know he's from Australia, but remind me again which political party traffics more in hate...
Woah, woah, WOAH. Are you seriously trying to say that the Democratic party traffics more in hate than the Republican party?
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It's because Frank is gay, right? Oh ho ho ho ho, Rush - I see what you did there! That's hilarious! Your ANUS because he's GAY!

Christ, what an asshole.
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Rush response below. I'm not even sure where you begin with any comment on it. If you listen to this guy, congratulations, you’re at a very very special level of excess stupidity, and, well, I’m sorry but you need to be aware of the fact that you’re just not a good person, so time to perhaps have a re-think (if the ‘think’ part is possible), especially if you like to wrap these beliefs up in some foul, evil bastardisation of Christianity.

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Woah, woah, WOAH. Are you seriously trying to say that the Democratic party traffics more in hate than the Republican party?
Both sides do. But anyone who thinks the Democratic Party (as shown wonderfully by Earnie just now) doesn't should think again.

If you listen to Keith Olbermann or go to the Daily Kos, you really don't deserve to be alive. See? I can do it, too. And you see how stupid something like that sounds, Earnie?
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It's because Frank is gay, right? Oh ho ho ho ho, Rush - I see what you did there! That's hilarious! Your ANUS because he's GAY!

Christ, what an asshole.
Google "log cabin Republicans" and "teabagging." You'll see the real lack of maturity from the other side.
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Google "log cabin Republicans" and "teabagging." You'll see the real lack of maturity from the other side.
oh wow.
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Both sides do.
You clearly implied that the Democratic party trafficked in hate more than the Republicans. Nice to see you backing down from that now.

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Funny, I don't recall Earnie saying anything about the Democratic Party. Maybe concentrate on what he's actually saying, rather than putting arguments into his mouth that he hasn't actually put forth.
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Google "log cabin Republicans" and "teabagging." You'll see the real lack of maturity from the other side.
So you can find people on the opposite side who are also immature - does that somehow excuse Rush?
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