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Old 06-10-2009, 10:57 AM   #31
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Health care is making people fat now?

Western Europe has an average life expectancy of about 6 months longer than ours.

Wow.


wow.

let's not even talk about the issue.

wow.
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During the closed-door session Tuesday, Rep. Brian Baird (D-Wash.) told colleagues that any bill should include mental health and dental insurance.
Republicans should be on board with this, their core constituents are missing about half their teeth and could use some mental medicine.
Who said the Democrats don't care about Republicans?
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We're fat and we live just as long. In your face EU.
YEAH!! Let's get as fat as possible!
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wow.

let's not even talk about the issue.

wow.

Sorry, you brought up life expectancy and then everything went to shit.
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dude, where's my thread?
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Sorry, you brought up life expectancy and then everything went to shit.
That's how you see it?

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I'd like access to health care for all regardless of ability to pay because I think not only is it good for individuals, it's also good for the nation as a whole. However, I don't see that forcing everyone into our current for profit insurance-run health care system is the way to go. I think we all know there would be loads of insurance policies sold to people who can't afford much which will turn out to be completely worthless, but will make the companies that sell them loads of profit.

I think we have to bite the fucking bullet and make sure that everyone in the US has health care.
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Are the folks in the EU as dependent on drugs for every little sniffle as we are? I wouldn't mind seeing universal health care in this country denying some of that sort of thing.
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Are the folks in the EU as dependent on drugs for every little sniffle as we are? I wouldn't mind seeing universal health care in this country denying some of that sort of thing.
One thing about it, a move to national healthcare will slow down big pharma's ability to wine and dine doctors, hire people to stop by once a week marketing the doctors and dropping off samples.

Anxiety medicines and anti-depressants are great break throughs, but the overuse has a great deal to do with how they are marketed.

Same as "restless leg syndrome" medications and what not...

So, yes the over prescribing will slow down a lot.
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Are the folks in the EU as dependent on drugs for every little sniffle as we are? I wouldn't mind seeing universal health care in this country denying some of that sort of thing.
I don't know the situation in the EU but in Canada, for example, where there is universal healthcare, we don't have universal drug coverage (except for certain people who meet the low income thresholds, etc). So you would have a drug plan through your employer, which is subsidized by them to an extent and you'd pay into it as well, it gets deducted from your cheques. Some employers may just cover it fully, and the plans can range so that you have 80% coverage or 100% coverage, etc.

Not sure why this wouldn't be feasible in the US...of course our government, through subsidies, also controls the price on pharmaceuticals. Which leaves Americans buying their drugs in Canada online, and this has been an issue that big pharma has lobbied against in Washington.
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One thing about it, a move to national healthcare will slow down big pharma's ability to wine and dine doctors, hire people to stop by once a week marketing the doctors and dropping off samples.

Anxiety medicines and anti-depressants are great break throughs, but the overuse has a great deal to do with how they are marketed.

Same as "restless leg syndrome" medications and what not...

So, yes the over prescribing will slow down a lot.
I'd like to see that curtailed no matter what.
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Same as "restless leg syndrome" medications and what not...
You do realize that's a real thing, right?

Maybe you scoff at needing a specialized med for it (ibuprofen works fine for me), but you put quotes around that phrase again, and I will make sure that during my next episode of The Jimmy Leg, I am kicking an imaginary BVS every three seconds.

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My Mom and I both suffer from RLS and it's horrible and I have spent many nights completely unable to sleep because of it. The thing is REAL and I challenge anyone to tell me otherwise.
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You do realize that's a real thing, right?

Maybe you scoff at needing a specialized med for it (ibuprofen works fine for me), but you put quotes around that phrase again, and I will make sure that during my next episode of The Jimmy Leg, I am kicking an imaginary BVS every three seconds.

I don't mean to offend. Yes, it's real(I've had it), but the majority of doctors will tell you it's a symptom of something else(although they won't agree on what) and the drug was actually developed for another reason, and it was by accident that it helped this, so they started calling it a separate syndrome in order to market it. The fact that it's called a "syndrome" is what a lot of doctors have issue with...

Please don't pretend to kick me.
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