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Old 08-17-2009, 12:07 PM   #301
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I spent some time in an ER last week, at 4:30 in the morning. Even at that time (with one other patient there that I could see) things moved at a snail's pace. I think some of the people working there might be so used to having so much to do that when they don't they go into reverse or something (or maybe some are like that all the time, I don't know). I sat in a waiting area for hours and their phone would ring and ring and no one would answer it (they weren't doing much else other than watching tv and changing the channels). There were other patients coming in later but not that many. Thankfully I haven't been in enough ER's to judge but it made me wonder. I think some health care needs more reform than just insurance and access for all.
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It took me 2 hrs to get through ER processing and I was an employee of the hospital with an on the job "injury". lol Shit happens.
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Shit happens doesn't really cut it. I think it's ridiculous.
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If it's free do you think the lines will be longer or shorter?
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would you rather pay to stand in line or do it for free?
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Old 08-17-2009, 12:37 PM   #306
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I'd rather not end up in the ER. Paying for it makes me cautious.
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If it's free do you think the lines will be longer or shorter?
From my limited understanding some ER care is already free-people with no insurance go there for all issues, emergency and non emergency. The question is-what causes the lines other than money and insurance issues? 4:30 in the morning with an empty ER?
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you didn't answer the question though
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I'd rather not end up in the ER. Paying for it makes me cautious.


good point. maybe people would stop getting leukemia if they had to pay for it.
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I'd rather not end up in the ER. Paying for it makes me cautious.
This has to be the strangest statement I've ever read. You're supposed to be cautious for your own benefit, not because of money.
It's these kind of simplistic answers that will never get us anywhere on the debate. As you so aptly put it, shit happens.
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That was a joke but anyway, yeah I don't really mind paying for insurance.
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maybe people would stop getting leukemia if they had to pay for it.

Yes-they should really have better self control
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What I'd be interested in is a conseravtive plan that actual gives patients some real power and real choice, rather than giving all the power to the "market" (i.e. the insurance companies).
Can't give you more power or choices than letting you keep more of your money (tax code reform, HSA's), letting you purchase the type of coverage that fits your lifestyle, thus let the private sector respond with reforms that have to survive in the competitive world of markets.

Sick In America -- John Stossel
YouTube - John Stossel - Sick in America - Part 5 (of 6)

I'd recommend watching all 6 segments but this one is about insurance.
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From my limited understanding some ER care is already free-people with no insurance go there for all issues, emergency and non emergency. The question is-what causes the lines other than money and insurance issues? 4:30 in the morning with an empty ER?

I don't think it's free, most people just use the ER if they don't have insurance because they can be seen there instead of a private doctor. For anyone that was uninsured we would set them up on a payment plan. Maybe it was a staffing issue in your case. I was working as many hours per week as legally allowed when I worked for the hospital and we still didn't have enough help. Now they aren't even hiring for my position in hospitals any more.
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That was a joke but anyway, yeah I don't really mind paying for insurance.

What about people who want it desperately but can't afford it? It's not a question of if they mind paying for it. You work for a hospital so maybe you get a great deal, I don't know.
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