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Old 08-12-2009, 07:43 PM   #211
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I do find it interesting that people are so worried about the government bureaucrats deciding what kind of medical treatments they'll pay for, yet they are okay with businessmen in the insurance industry making the exact same decisions.

This is exactly what I don't get...
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Old 08-12-2009, 08:02 PM   #212
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I do find it interesting that people are so worried about the government bureaucrats deciding what kind of medical treatments they'll pay for, yet they are okay with businessmen in the insurance industry making the exact same decisions.
Well, I'd say that that's a peripheral argument. I think that the opposition to public health care really comes down to a resistance to change.

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"The death of morality," indeed.
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Well gee, fuck 'em if they can't pull themselves up by their bootstraps and make enough money to be able to afford coverage.

Work harder, kids!
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Cute read.
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Well gee, fuck 'em if they can't pull themselves up by their bootstraps and make enough money to be able to afford coverage.

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Amen.
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I know, right? I mean it's so easy to pull yourself out of poverty. Every conservative that has preached this to me, has done that very thing... Well at least... wait... um... ok... but they talk about it.
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All these systems cost money. If the public wants an idea on how to save on health costs they should learn to eat better than McDonalds and put together a prayer or meditation practice to reduce stress:
yes, because it's all really just that simple.
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yes, because it's all really just that simple.
I think the videos I posted show the cause and consequence of eating habits, mental habits, and exercise habits. Creating new habits is a simple decision but it is not an easy one to practice without effort over some time. It took a lot of effort for me but now it's a new habit and I'm glad I'm not going back to KFC and A&W anymore. I'm glad that food seems repulsive to me. I'm glad that my legs can handle longer runs because I kept at it over two years to change my health. If I can do it then so can others. I'm just being positive over something I've experienced myself and others who are more health conscious have as well. Even my secular Buddhist practice helped me remove some of my inhibitions so I was aware of more choices I could do and learning about neuroplasticity also helped me have more belief that I could rewire my habits and see health results which further created motivation to continue. If people didn't have neuroplasticity in adulthood then all adults would be zombies by now. Now I don't know how to create a health conscious culture like in Sweden or Okinawa in North America so I focus on doing it for myself and hopefully others around me will see the necessity of it. By the time I hit 40 I want to be on target for my weight and general health. That's part of the reason why I like U2 because they often make songs about addiction and know that those who escape it feel much happier than those who don't. There's something enjoyable about charting your own direction in life and being in control of your choices instead of going by impulse and old habits. It's one thing to try and think your way through problems but taking action is the real work.

People can bitch about imperfect health care systems and should try and improve them but if they are eating crap and smoking or taking drugs then what are they trying to prove whether they are conservative or liberal? It's like people having a conversation about dirty air and lighting up a cigar.

I could easily be the type that doesn't share this information and just have the benefits myself and be a narcissist looking down on people like a snob and feel good that I'm healthier than others but that's not who I am. I want to see more people get healthier.
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So only two posters, troganchick and maycocksean, can tell us why they support this legislation?

Ok, maybe this is too broad. Let's talk specifics.

Issue 1) Abortion
Current law bars the use of federal funds to pay for abortions. Repeated attempts to carry this language over into the reform legislation have been blocked.

a) is abortion health care and if so shouldn't it be noted as such in the bill?

b) regardless of your views on abortion, would FYM'ers insist upon, in the spirit of bipartisanship and the need to move reform forward, language maintaining current federal law in regards to abortion funding?
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I could easily be the type that doesn't share this information and just have the benefits myself and be a narcissist looking down on people like a snob and feel good that I'm healthier than others but that's not who I am.
I can never imagine you as being that type. Never. I mean, that's not the feeling I get by reading your posts. Noooo-ooo way.
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I can never imagine you as being that type. Never. I mean, that's not the feeling I get by reading your posts. Noooo-ooo way.
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So only two posters, troganchick and maycocksean, can tell us why they support this legislation?

Ok, maybe this is too broad. Let's talk specifics.

Issue 1) Abortion
Current law bars the use of federal funds to pay for abortions. Repeated attempts to carry this language over into the reform legislation have been blocked.

a) is abortion health care and if so shouldn't it be noted as such in the bill?

b) regardless of your views on abortion, would FYM'ers insist upon, in the spirit of bipartisanship and the need to move reform forward, language maintaining current federal law in regards to abortion funding?
If I were in Congress, I might be open to such a compromise, but I can see where this would get sticky. A lot of private insurers cover abortion--that's my understanding. It would make sense for a public option to cover it as well, I would think. What I heard on the radio (NPR, not Rush) is that they're talking about different options within the public plan and you could choose an option that didn't cover abortion or you could choose an option that did cover it. I suppose you could say, hey if you're willing to pay into a public option to cover abortion fine, but the contentious part would be what happens to those who can't afford to pay full cost and have to receive subsidies--would they be able to have abortion covered. Now you're talking about "my tax money" and that's where things could get ugly.
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So only two posters, troganchick and maycocksean, can tell us why they support this legislation?
eh hmmm
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Ok, maybe this is too broad. Let's talk specifics.

Issue 1) Abortion
Current law bars the use of federal funds to pay for abortions. Repeated attempts to carry this language over into the reform legislation have been blocked.

a) is abortion health care and if so shouldn't it be noted as such in the bill?

b) regardless of your views on abortion, would FYM'ers insist upon, in the spirit of bipartisanship and the need to move reform forward, language maintaining current federal law in regards to abortion funding?
Does insurance cover it now? How is this any different?

I think specific language would get tricky in the sense of what if a woman's life was on the line...
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I could easily be the type that doesn't share this information and just have the benefits myself and be a narcissist looking down on people like a snob and feel good that I'm healthier than others but that's not who I am. I want to see more people get healthier.
I really hope you are not serious with this part. Please tell me you are not serious!!!
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