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Y'know, this whole "Obama is the socialist devil" bullshit could really start working for us.
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Y'know, this whole "Obama is the socialist devil" bullshit could really start working for us.
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There were no good movies on last night, so i was watching the O'Reilly Factor, just for shits and giggles. There seemed to be an abundance of these "pill commercials", as i call them, you know the type, the ones with all the goofy names where you dont really know what they are for. "side affects may include nausea, fever, headache, diharrea, ulcers, temporary blindness, and bleeding from the asshole. rare cases may include coma or death." 
And then we have O'Reilly attacking "pinhead" Brad Pitt because he was talking with bill maher about marijuana for 30 seconds out of a 15 minute interview.
Hmm, Fox News promoting prescription drugs while having a commentator use anti-marijuana propaganda?!
And then we have O'Reilly attacking "pinhead" Brad Pitt because he was talking with bill maher about marijuana for 30 seconds out of a 15 minute interview.
Hmm, Fox News promoting prescription drugs while having a commentator use anti-marijuana propaganda?!
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I'll never understand O'Reilly's viewers. He's the definition of hypocrite, isn't it part of his job title? Don't get me wrong all sides have their blowhards, but I'm not sure there's anyone else that has been proven to be such a glaring example of hypocricy.
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I believe i mentioned on here that my dad and i used to watch him everynight and that i "woke up" and quit watching him and my dad still hopelessly watches him. well last night after the show he called me. i asked him if he watched the factor tonight cause i was going to tell him about the brad pitt thing. he says "no i havent watched him for a while. im sick of his bitching about everything."
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Well there's been numerous numerous threads in here and stories as to why he's a hypocrite. Type "O'Reilly" and "hypocricy" and you'll get at least 4 youtube videos and 3 pages worth of stories.
Olbermann might be a blowhard, and you might not like him, but by no means has he been exposed as a hypocrite like O'Reilly.
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No biggie. They were gonna lose members to the death panels anyway.
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are you sure they just didn't die?
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From same article:
"Death panels", Pelosi's swastika quote, you really buy into this stuff don't you?
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nathan1977
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Boy, am I late to this party.
Amusing and cogent (and sometimes incoherent) comments on both sides. My thoughts on health care are complicated and difficult to sum up. So I'll only comment on the post that made me laugh:
"Can we get a grip here? It is possible to express opposition to a president's policies without preposterous name-calling" ~ David Frum
You mean like the Left did so easily and quickly during Bush's term? The reality is that whatever lack of political dialogue we are able to have now is a direct result of studying and employing the Left's playbook for the past eight years -- used frequently and often here on FYM. ("Hail to the Thief," "GW is a racist," "GW is a moron," "GW is a war criminal," "GW is a fascist," "GW is a Christofascist," "Theocracy is on the rise," etc etc. I seem to recall several "Bush is Hitler" comments as well.)
If we could all tone down the rhetoric, that would be awesome.
Amusing and cogent (and sometimes incoherent) comments on both sides. My thoughts on health care are complicated and difficult to sum up. So I'll only comment on the post that made me laugh:
"Can we get a grip here? It is possible to express opposition to a president's policies without preposterous name-calling" ~ David Frum
You mean like the Left did so easily and quickly during Bush's term? The reality is that whatever lack of political dialogue we are able to have now is a direct result of studying and employing the Left's playbook for the past eight years -- used frequently and often here on FYM. ("Hail to the Thief," "GW is a racist," "GW is a moron," "GW is a war criminal," "GW is a fascist," "GW is a Christofascist," "Theocracy is on the rise," etc etc. I seem to recall several "Bush is Hitler" comments as well.)
If we could all tone down the rhetoric, that would be awesome.
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maybe i should post this here instead of the fascist socialist thread
1.) end the wars overseas, close non-essential military bases.
2.) end failed war on drugs. legalize, tax, and control all drugs. release all non-violent drug offenders from jail / prison. with prison population down by somewhere around almost 50%, close all un-needed private prisons funded by the government.
3.) get rid if all medical insurance companies.
4.) with all the money the government saved from cutting military spending, paying for prisoners and prisons, and income from legalized, taxed drugs, they pay for healthcare for everyone. private doctors, hospitals, dentists, etc etc are all reimbursed by the government for the services they provide. government pays for all supplies, medicines, equipment, etc at dirt cheap rate. everything runs pretty much the same except instead of insurance companies paying the doctors, the government pays for everything. no salary changes, no job cuts, nothing. the government doesnt "RUN" healthcare or interfere with policy, it just pays for it, no questions asked.
5.) if you are healthy and dont use the system that often, you get a tax break. if you are unhealthy and go to the doctor every week, you dont. simple.
just a possible idea to make the government work for us instead of us working for the government
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maybe i should post this here instead of the fascist socialist thread
In all honesty how can you legalize and control drugs such as meth, heroin, and cocaine?
Irvine511
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firstly, invading Iraq and espousing a line of "you're with us or against us" is rather more deserving of a radical response, since many seem to have forgotten just how radical the early Bush years actually were post-9/11 and just how in bed he was with the Religious Right to the point where James Dobson was given veto power over SCOTUS nominees.
it was far, far more incendiary than what Obama is proposing, which is a really, really moderate change to the health care system since he has the shocking goal of wanting to provide health insurance to every american.
i agree that some Bush comments way back then were irresponsible (Bush = Hitler), but let's retain our sense of proportionality and remember our very recent history.
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Yes, wouldn't that be awesome? Of course it's ironic after you state all this drivel:
I'm guessing you're too young or didn't pay attention during the Clinton years?
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same as you do tobacco and alcohol. either of which contribute to more deaths than meth, herion, and coke combined i might add.
it's my understanding that meth has become so popular because it has become harder to get the other drugs like coke and heroin. meth is cheap and easy to make, yet probably the most dangerous and harmful drug out there, other than the pharmicuticals.
drug dealers dont check for ID. yet it's pretty hard for someone under 21 do get alcohol.
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Which is why it's collapsing despite a huge Democratic majority in the House and a 60 vote filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.
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show me where this plan is radical.
i think what we're seeing is the spinelessness of Democrats worried about 2010, and the influence of cable news, as well as the difficulty of saying anything remotely rational about health care in this country because we have people like you comparing something that every last developed nation offers it's citizens to Hitler.
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+1.
Also, is it possible that insurance companies were, or could be in the future, campaign contributers? Once again, congress putting their bids for re-election over doing what's right for the country. Big surprise.
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Well it has death panels.
It won't allow profit hungry suits who know nothing about healthcare set and control prices, now the damn people we vote on will get to do this.
And it's socialist, which someone told me was like fascism which = hitler.
How can you not see the writing on the wall?
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i also think this was a miscalculation on Obama's part, at least politically.
my assumption is that he thinks that getting health care costs under control, in the face of deficits and the knowledge that very shortly health care costs are going to explode, was the motivation. that as well as a sense of crisis that might abate by this time next year as the economy eventually recovers.
it could be that it was all too much too soon, as his presidency has been awfully ambitious from the start. and i think this provided a perfect moment for the GOP Palin-base to freak out and it made for great TV during the slow, slow summer months, so it got disproportionate coverage on cable.
a few facts remain:
1. even El Salvador offers universal health care for it's citizens
2. health care costs will skyrocket
3. it is going to have to be paid for somewhere, somehow
4. the current health care system in this country -- and, also, others -- is unsustainable as the population ages, as people live well into their 90s, and as fewer and fewer businesses are able to cover health care for their employees
so let's actually deal with the fact that, yes, we have a problem, and let's stop the freak out on this issue.
and, yes, i don't see the Left freaking out nearly as much as the Right.
my assumption is that he thinks that getting health care costs under control, in the face of deficits and the knowledge that very shortly health care costs are going to explode, was the motivation. that as well as a sense of crisis that might abate by this time next year as the economy eventually recovers.
it could be that it was all too much too soon, as his presidency has been awfully ambitious from the start. and i think this provided a perfect moment for the GOP Palin-base to freak out and it made for great TV during the slow, slow summer months, so it got disproportionate coverage on cable.
a few facts remain:
1. even El Salvador offers universal health care for it's citizens
2. health care costs will skyrocket
3. it is going to have to be paid for somewhere, somehow
4. the current health care system in this country -- and, also, others -- is unsustainable as the population ages, as people live well into their 90s, and as fewer and fewer businesses are able to cover health care for their employees
so let's actually deal with the fact that, yes, we have a problem, and let's stop the freak out on this issue.
and, yes, i don't see the Left freaking out nearly as much as the Right.
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I was thinking about this this morning actually.
Do you think that Obama perhaps overreached on this one. Was there some hubris, perhaps, to think that he could do what Clinton tried and failed to do?
I agree with your concise summation of the current situation, but at the risk of sounding overly pessimistic, I wonder if this country will ever accept any type of universal healthcare coverage. Maybe it's like the metric system. . .
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The latest well informed opposition I heard today on the healthplan, from a white man on medicare:
"Obama wants us all to be dependent on the state so we're just like all the other n***ers out there."
It took a lot of restraint not to hit the man.
"Obama wants us all to be dependent on the state so we're just like all the other n***ers out there."
It took a lot of restraint not to hit the man.
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The latest well informed opposition I heard today on the healthplan, from a white man on medicare:
"Obama wants us all to be dependent on the state so we're just like all the other n***ers out there."
It took a lot of restraint not to hit the man.
aint Fox News great?
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I was thinking about this this morning actually.
Do you think that Obama perhaps overreached on this one. Was there some hubris, perhaps, to think that he could do what Clinton tried and failed to do?
I agree with your concise summation of the current situation, but at the risk of sounding overly pessimistic, I wonder if this country will ever accept any type of universal healthcare coverage. Maybe it's like the metric system. . .
I think his urgency has a lot to do with this... I have no doubt the country will wake up and we'll eventually be on some kind of universal system, but I'm not certain it will happen right now, but I'm pretty sure it will happen before his terms are up.
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But the left IS congress. The left has a big majority in the House and a 'super-majority' in the Senate. They don't NEED the right to pass this. So, if they aren't freaking out nearly as much as the right, then why hasn't the plan passed yet?
Moreover, it is the left that decided to push a plan with a public option instead of full single-payer universal healthcare, it is the left that has proven too afraid, for whatever reason, be it ideologically or politically, to cut the private insurance companies out altogether.
Because Southern Democrats are unreliable partners, and they make up enough of the party to ensure that the Democratic leadership still has to bargain with right-wingers. These conservatives just happen to be in their own party, rather than as part of the opposition.
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