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Old 08-11-2009, 04:16 PM   #166
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it's to make us ALL dependant on the state for our healthcare.
Why would they want to do that?
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So the way you see it, we here in the U.S. would be "taking one for the team of humanity". These European countries with their socialized medicine are providing universal health care but they're using the technology developed in U.S.--technology that wouldn't otherwise exist if not for the profits made in the healthcare industry here.
In a nutshell. Not to mention we cover their ass militarily allowing them to spend money on healthcare that otherwise would have to be spent on what used to be priority one, national defense.

Not to disparage the research and development done around the world but even much of that is undertaken with one eye on selling their product in the American market.

If you only knew how much more we in the United States pay for prescription drugs because Canadians enjoy a government price-controlled discount.
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Why would they want to do that?
Because they are SOCIALISTS, it couldn't be because they want everyone to have access, that would be fucking silly...
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In a nutshell. Not to mention we cover their ass militarily allowing them to spend money on healthcare that otherwise would have to be spent on what used to be priority one, national defense.

Not to disparage the research and development done around the world but even much of that is undertaken with one eye on selling their product in the American market.
Not only is this paranoid sounding, but it's just flat out false.


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If you only knew how much more we in the United States pay for prescription drugs because Canadians enjoy a government price-controlled discount.
And you're saying this is a good thing?
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It sounded like a socialism argument to me, but I was just wonderin'

As long as we all get free ice cream under Obama socialism, I'm ok with it
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:40 PM   #171
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What did I miss?

Medicaid spending 2007 -- $319,676,945,585
S-Chip spending 2007 -- $15,000,000,000
All the state and local agencies to service the needs of the poor. $????

Plus the uncalculable value of all the charities, free clinics, helping-hands programs and drug vouchers, not to mention our emergency room policies.

The purpose of the Democratic Healthcare Reform Bill is not to provide more treatment for the poor, it's to make us ALL dependant on the state for our healthcare.
So you're saying that the poor are already more than adequately served in this country in terms of health care?

Could you elaborate on how the Democratic Healthcare reform bill seeks to makes us all dependant on the state for our healthcare, and why, exactly, would the Democrats want this?
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In a nutshell.
Well, I suppose there's more than one way to sacrifice American lives for the good of the rest of the world then.

They oughta be on their knees THANKING us for the uninsured citizens that we sacrifice every stinkin' day so that they can have their socialized medicine, right.
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and one more question. ..

How is this:
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Health-care reform comes in several different flavors these days, but the basic minimum is that it allows all people to buy health insurance regardless of medical history, and it provides subsidies to help poor and middle-income families buy health insurance. That means that if you get sick and lose your job, you w
the same as this:


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The purpose of the Democratic Healthcare Reform Bill is not to provide more treatment for the poor, it's to make us ALL dependant on the state for our healthcare.
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What’s the end-game here?

The end-game is very obvious. If you expand the bureaucratic class and you expand the dependent class, you can put together a permanent electoral majority. By “dependent”, I don’t mean merely welfare, although that’s a good illustration of the general principle. In political terms, a welfare check is a twofer: you’re assuring the votes both of the welfare recipient and of the vast bureaucracy required to process his welfare. But extend that principle further, to the point where government intrudes into everything: a vast population is receiving more from government (in the form of health care or education subventions) than it thinks it contributes, while another vast population is managing the ever expanding regulatory regime (a federal energy-efficiency code, a government health bureaucracy) and another vast population remains, nominally, in the private sector but, de facto, dependent on government patronage of one form or another – say, the privately owned franchisee of a government automobile company, or the designated “community assistance” organization for helping poor families understand what programs they’re eligible for. Either way, what you get from government – whether in the form of a government paycheck, a government benefit or a government contract – is a central fact of your life.

If “health care” were about health care, the devil would be in the details. But it’s not about health or costs or coverage; it’s about getting over the river and burning the bridge. It doesn’t matter what form of governmentalized health care gets passed as long as it passes. Once it’s in place, it will be “reformed”, endlessly, but it will never be undone. Same with a lot of the other stuff: Keep throwing the spaghetti at the wall. The Republicans may pick off the odd strand but, if you keep it coming fast enough, by the end of Obama’s first year the wall will be a great writhing mass of pasta entwined like copulating anacondas in some jungle simulacrum of Hef’s grotto. And that’s a good image of how government will slither into every corner of your life: You can try and pull one of those spaghetti strings out but it’ll be all tied up with a hundred others and you’ll never untangle them.
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Well, if the Democrats aren't really about health care, then it the Republicans better damn well get on their game and come up with some solutions of their own.
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the Republicans better damn well get on their game and come up with some solutions of their own.
The "make more money and don't get sick" plan!
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If you expand the bureaucratic class and you expand the dependent class, you can put together a permanent electoral majority.
Hannity and others have said this over and over... But where has this happened?
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The "make more money and don't get sick" plan!
That's pretty much the only alternative I've seen... Makes sense, right?
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He no doubt enjoys the benefits of a drug developed right here in Indiana. Human insulin, the world's first recombinant DNA drug. He also no doubt is appreciative of the great advancements in home glucose monitoring devices.

The United States healthcare system leads the world in new drugs, technologies and innovations. Everyone, worldwide, rich and poor, benefits from these advancements.
Interesting that you use this as an example.

Given that it was those socialist Canadians who discovered insulin as a treatment for diabetes, and subsequently "sold" that discovery to Eli Lilly.

So yes, we owe it to the communists in this instance, imagine that.
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