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Old 11-07-2004, 06:46 AM   #1
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Normal Man shoots himself at ground zero because Bush won

Now I've heard the jokes about leaving the country, but the planet? This is an extreme way of dealing with things, huh?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=519&ncid=716


Man Shoots, Kills Himself at Ground Zero

50 minutes ago U.S. National - AP



NEW YORK - A 25-year-old man from Georgia who was apparently distraught over President Bush's re-election shot and killed himself at ground zero. Andrew Veal's body was found Saturday morning inside the off-limits site, said Steve Coleman, a spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. A shotgun was found nearby, but no suicide note was found, Coleman said.



Veal's mother said her son was upset about the result of the presidential election and had driven to New York, Gus Danese, president of the Port Authority Police Benevolent Association, told The New York Times in Sunday's editions.


Friends said Veal worked in a computer lab at the University of Georgia and was planning to marry.


"I'm absolutely sure it's a protest," Mary Anne Mauney, Veal's supervisor at the lab, told The Daily News. "I don't know what made him commit suicide, but where he did it was symbolic."


Police were investigating how Veal entered the former World Trade Center site, which is protected by high fences and owned by the Port Authority.
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This is absolutely ridiculous. This is NOT the way to deal with things. Obviously, this guy had a lot more problems than just Bush winning.
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thats sad
I agree with the above post, he probably had alot more probs than just the election results
luckily he did it BEFORE he got married
wonder what it was in his background that made him do it besides the obvious fact he was sorta mentle maybe...
that is mean to say but did he know something the rest of us didnt?
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I agree, this person had some sort of suicidal predisposition. I'm depressed too, but killing myself? There's too much to look forward to in the future. It's just the end of one historical cycle and the beginning of another one. That being said one thing I don't like about this society is that I feel that emotional expressiveness isn't really socially acceptable, and it's causing some problems. If you really feel something you should say it, not bottle it up. I'm afraid too much "bottling up" is going on all over.
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one thing I don't like about this society is that I feel that emotional expressiveness isn't really socially acceptable, and it's causing some problems. If you really feel something you should say it, not bottle it up. I'm afraid too much "bottling up" is going on all over.
Too true. It seems like anyone expressing their feelings either gets called a weirdo or gets jumped on so hard by those with opposing views that most people won't say what they really think and feel and that's sad.
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Too true. It seems like anyone expressing their feelings either gets called a weirdo or gets jumped on so hard by those with opposing views that most people won't say what they really think and feel and that's sad.
I think it's important for people to say what they think. Don't be afraid of getting shouted down. I'm shy, so it's not always easy for me to stick out my neck and express myself. Usually when we have demonstrations here at least one counter-demonstrator shows up to yell at us or whatever. I'm sorry, I think counter-demonstrating is silly. I defend freedom of speech, but that's not to say all of it makes sense or is rational. This is a time of great emotional currents right now as we just got through a bitter and divisive election campaign. Don't kill yourself over the results, if you are a liberal like I am get your supply of poster board for demonstration signs and look forward to working for change in the future. We have a future to look forward to and to fight for.
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luckily he did it BEFORE he got married
I don't think you meant offense, but I think that is a horrible thing to say. It's sad that he did it at anytime, let alone if it was before or after he got married.

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wonder what it was in his background that made him do it besides the obvious fact he was sorta mentle maybe...
that is mean to say but did he know something the rest of us didnt?
I think it is impossible to know why an individual ultimately chooses to commit suicide. I'd be willing to bet it is usually a culmination of a myriad of reasons though, reasons that make perfect sense in the individual's skewed vision of reality.
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I think it's important for people to say what they think. Don't be afraid of getting shouted down. I'm shy, so it's not always easy for me to stick out my neck and express myself. Usually when we have demonstrations here at least one counter-demonstrator shows up to yell at us or whatever. I'm sorry, I think counter-demonstrating is silly. I defend freedom of speech, but that's not to say all of it makes sense or is rational. This is a time of great emotional currents right now as we just got through a bitter and divisive election campaign. Don't kill yourself over the results, if you are a liberal like I am get your supply of poster board for demonstration signs and look forward to working for change in the future. We have a future to look forward to and to fight for.
I always express my opinions. People tell me to "just shut up" all the time, but that just makes me go off even more. I get things off my chest in a polite way, I don't bottle crap up, and I tend to be very much at peace with myself. The guy who did this probably had many probelms, and this just pushed him over the edge. It's too bad when anyone commits suicide, but at that place and for this reason in particular is depressing.
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This is absolutely ridiculous. This is NOT the way to deal with things. Obviously, this guy had a lot more problems than just Bush winning.
Yes. It is too bad he did not get help before this tragic event.
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Yes. It is too bad he did not get help before this tragic event.
I think it's unfortunate that some people think asking for help is a sign of weakness. Actually it's a sign of strength. It takes guts to face your emotional demons and realize you can't deal with them by yourself.
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This may be the reason he gave to other people, but nobody commits suicide without a myriad of accompanying reasons.
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This may be the reason he gave to other people, but nobody commits suicide without a myriad of accompanying reasons.
That's right. Suicide is a very extreme thing. Most depressed people never do it.
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What a complete moron! He just took away one less vote from his party... duh.
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Suicide is one of the most selfish things a person can do, this individual was probably suffering from some severe problems - I also think that it shows that severe hatred of Bush can be a sign of mental instability.
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I also think that it shows that severe hatred of Bush can be a sign of mental instability.
I hope you're kidding.
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