Man shoots himself at ground zero because Bush won - Page 2 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 11-07-2004, 02:56 PM   #16
ONE
love, blood, life
 
namkcuR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Kettering, Ohio
Posts: 10,290
Local Time: 06:51 PM
Suicide isn't about killing yourself. It's about getting people to see that you killed yourself. People who commit suicide aren't just depressed. That's part of it, but not the whole of it. People who commit suicide feel like they aren't being heard, so-to-speak, in life. They feel like no one is listening to them. This can either be because they're right and no one is listening to them, or it can be a psychological thing, whereby it doesn't matter how much people listen, it doesn't feel like they are. In either case, the person in question feels utterly and indescribably unheard. That's what leads to suicide, not just depression. This is not an excuse, mind you, merely an explanation.
__________________

__________________
namkcuR is offline  
Old 11-07-2004, 02:59 PM   #17
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 09:51 AM
I am not kidding, people who display totally paranoid loathing and hatred of the President beyond all logical bounds may be suffering from deeper problems, I am not saying that if you criticize the administration then you should be dragged off to a mental institution for reeducation like in the Soviet Union under Stalin but there are a few totally paranoid individuals out there who probably need help, just check out indymedia and you can find them.

P.S.: This is coming from a guy who spent the last 2 years of high school dealing with a little sister who sliced her arm up numerous times, swallowed whole bunch of pills and wound up doped up in hospital recovering for 18 months - that was severe depression and psycosis, she was hearing voices it had absolutely nothing to do with attention or wanting people to know that she died it was debilitating mental illness. She is much better now but this shit is serious and if the signs are there I would hope that somebody can help these poor souls. We have all probably had some experience on this front, but when I look at it I automatically bring what I have experienced to the table and I think that this person was sick.
__________________

__________________
A_Wanderer is offline  
Old 11-07-2004, 03:06 PM   #18
Blue Crack Addict
 
anitram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: NY
Posts: 16,297
Local Time: 06:51 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by namkcuR
Suicide isn't about killing yourself. It's about getting people to see that you killed yourself.
Was it Durkheim who argued that suicide is a supremely social act?
__________________
anitram is online now  
Old 11-07-2004, 03:06 PM   #19
ONE
love, blood, life
 
namkcuR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Kettering, Ohio
Posts: 10,290
Local Time: 06:51 PM
Ok I misunderstood you. I thought you meant severe loathing of Bush specifically meant you had mental problems. I now see you meant to say that severe loathing of any president means one has the mental issues.

Sorry to hear that about your sister, that's terrible. Certainly hope she's well now.
__________________
namkcuR is offline  
Old 11-07-2004, 03:08 PM   #20
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 09:51 AM
She's much better, nothing is better for that than strong and dedicated parents, lets hear it for parents
__________________
A_Wanderer is offline  
Old 11-07-2004, 03:32 PM   #21
Blue Crack Addict
 
anitram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: NY
Posts: 16,297
Local Time: 06:51 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by A_Wanderer
She's much better, nothing is better for that than strong and dedicated parents, lets hear it for parents
I'm sure she and you are honoured to be their children.

I have an aunt who is a paranoid schizophrenic, attempted suicide many times and it's a terribly debilitating illness. Very, very sad.
__________________
anitram is online now  
Old 11-07-2004, 03:58 PM   #22
Blue Crack Addict
 
Liesje's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: In the dog house
Posts: 19,557
Local Time: 06:51 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by A_Wanderer
I also think that it shows that severe hatred of Bush can be a sign of mental instability.
What's your point? Severe hatred of ANYTHING can be a sign of mental instability.
__________________
Liesje is offline  
Old 11-07-2004, 04:17 PM   #23
Refugee
 
LoveTown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Maine, USA
Posts: 1,359
Local Time: 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by A_Wanderer
Suicide is one of the most selfish things a person can do, this individual was probably suffering from some severe problems - I also think that it shows that severe hatred of Bush can be a sign of mental instability.
People always say that suicide is selfish or cowardly. Lemme tell ya, it's neither one. People that do it are in incredible pain and they dont see any other way out. Most of the time the people who do it or attempt it think that the ones they love will be better off without them, without having them as a burden.

People who feel suicidal should not have blamed put on them, they should not be told not to do it because it is selfish or cowardly. They should be asked not to do it because they are loved, important and needed.
__________________
LoveTown is offline  
Old 11-07-2004, 04:36 PM   #24
Blue Crack Addict
 
verte76's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: hoping for changes
Posts: 23,331
Local Time: 11:51 PM
Suicide is committed only by people in intense personal pain that they don't feel like is going to end. It's tragic. When I was in a therapy group years ago one of the members committed suicide. It was a really traumatic experience for all of us. The guy was a schizophrenic who didn't respond to therapy and some really crummy things were going on in his life. We knew he had problems, but the suicide was a complete shock. I too believe intense hatred, any intense hatred, is rooted in some factors that cause the person to be in some way disturbed. I'm disappointed at what happened last week, too, but heavens, it's certainly not worth taking your life over. It's not worth compromising the quality of your life over. Political events happen, presidents come and go, and life goes on. I feel badly for this guy's family, there's nothing worse than going through this sort of loss. Two years ago a library co-worker committed suicide and that was stressful big time. It's the saddest thing in the world that some people are in this kind of pain.
__________________
verte76 is offline  
Old 11-07-2004, 05:28 PM   #25
Halloweenhead
Forum Moderator
 
Bonochick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Cherry Lane
Posts: 40,816
Local Time: 07:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by LoveTown


People always say that suicide is selfish or cowardly. Lemme tell ya, it's neither one. People that do it are in incredible pain and they dont see any other way out. Most of the time the people who do it or attempt it think that the ones they love will be better off without them, without having them as a burden.

People who feel suicidal should not have blamed put on them, they should not be told not to do it because it is selfish or cowardly. They should be asked not to do it because they are loved, important and needed.
VERY nice post. Thank you.
__________________
"Knight in shining Zubaz."

Bonochick [at] interference.com
Bonochick is offline  
Old 11-07-2004, 08:15 PM   #26
New Yorker
 
sharky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 2,637
Local Time: 06:51 PM
I also have a problem with this story because they said ground zero is well protected and they don't know how he got in there. Most of the site has a fence at least 10 feet around it and most of it is not scalable. It makes you wonder how safe we are. No matter how many barriers you put up, there is always a weak link. If someone is determined enough, they can commit suicide at Ground Zero or far worse by harming others in the process.
__________________
sharky is offline  
Old 11-07-2004, 08:36 PM   #27
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
hiphop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: in the jungle
Posts: 7,410
Local Time: 01:51 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by A_Wanderer
P.S.: This is coming from a guy who spent the last 2 years of high school dealing with a little sister who sliced her arm up numerous times, swallowed whole bunch of pills and wound up doped up in hospital recovering for 18 months - that was severe depression and psycosis, she was hearing voices it had absolutely nothing to do with attention or wanting people to know that she died it was debilitating mental illness. She is much better now but this shit is serious
Do me a favour, next time you see her give her a hug and tell her the angels love her. I hope she´s ok. All the best.

As to the guy on ground zero: I´m sorry for him.
__________________
hiphop is offline  
Old 11-07-2004, 09:18 PM   #28
Refugee
 
LoveTown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Maine, USA
Posts: 1,359
Local Time: 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Bonochick


VERY nice post. Thank you.
You are very welcome. I think most of us have been at that point at one time or another and some of us have lost loved ones to suicide.
__________________
LoveTown is offline  
Old 11-07-2004, 09:22 PM   #29
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 09:51 AM
Thankyou HipHop, I think that everybody can agree that people can get pretty screwed up on their own - lets hope that that man is at peace one way or another.
__________________
A_Wanderer is offline  
Old 11-07-2004, 09:37 PM   #30
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
hiphop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: in the jungle
Posts: 7,410
Local Time: 01:51 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by A_Wanderer
Thankyou HipHop, I think that everybody can agree that people can get pretty screwed up on their own
Sometimes I ask myself if the individual is to "blame", so to say, or evil influences outside of the individual´s brain and reach. What do you think?
__________________

__________________
hiphop is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com