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Old 03-06-2003, 04:59 PM   #16
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Then why was only the father arrested, but the son wasn't when he took off his shirt? I don't see anything to imply that the son left.
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Wouldn't it cause problems if you took off your shirt in public?
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Wouldn't it cause problems if you took off your shirt in public?
Good question. Don't most places like malls have rules that you can't be in there without a shirt on? "No shoes, no shirt, no service."

I'm really glad they dropped the charges against this guy. The whole thing seems extremely fishy to me. If he and his son really were stopping other shoppers and being argumentative, why weren't they simply asked to leave them alone, or asked to leave the mall? Did the security guy actually SEE them harassing other shoppers or was that just what the woman who went to talk to the security guard said?
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the security guards found the people involved in an alleged argument based on a description from an old lady on what they were wearing, and they kicked them out.
Is that why the all the parties to the argument were kicked out?

But the fact remains that they werent. Only the people wearing shirts saying "Give Peace A Chance" were kicked out.

That says it all right there.
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yeah... if the other people involved in the party were wearing "kick a liberal down the stairs" t-shirts, they would have been just as easily recognized as the "give peace a chance" guys. this is being blown so out of proportion it's not even funny. if you really believe security guards kicked these people out just because they had t-shirts on with the title of a john lennon song, then you are in serious need of a reality check.
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I guess that the T-shirts where made in sweatshops,........


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if you really believe security guards kicked these people out just because they had t-shirts on with the title of a john lennon song, then you are in serious need of a reality check.
The fact that you are simplifying to this level doesnt surprise me.

Here is the way I predict it went, and that's why the charges were dropped:

Men wearing peace tshirts are verbally accosted by some rabid warmongering conservatives. Men verbally defend their position, and an argument ensues. Old lady, regardless of her political beliefs, sees a storm brewing. Perhaps she even dislikes the tshirts and thats why she gets the slogans wrong. Who knows. At any rate, the robocop security guards jump to the conclusion that some fist pumping shouting peaceniks are to blame and kick only them out. Of course, the fact that they have courageously decided to wear their beliefs on their sleeves so to speak makes it all the easier to identify them.

The only right thing is that after someone is asked to leave private property, for whatever reason, they are supposed to. That is why the men were charged with trespassing, not because they were wearing shirts, however the patrons and/or robocop security guards displeasure at the message is what started the whole thing.

Those men were certainly entitled to wear their shirts in the mall and I sincerely hope they exercise their right to return to the mall wearing the tshirts, in the company of witnesses, and if they are harassed by mall employees they should sue the mall for infringement of their right to freedom of expression.
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