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Old 09-12-2007, 10:17 AM   #1
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Male Nudity And Equality

I thought this was an interesting article, given the fact that female nudity in cable TV and the movies has been basically a given for quite a while and male nudity is still far more taboo. Apparently Viggo is full frontal naked in his new movie.

Do men think it is disempowering or icky?

http://www.observer.com/2007/members-only?page=0%2C0

In one of the many (many) startling scenes in the new HBO drama Tell Me You Love Me, which debuted Sunday night, a young, attractive married couple sit side by side on a sofa, watching a boxing match on TV. The wife unbuckles her husband’s pants, and after some noisy kissing, she pulls away and says, “I want to see it.” She sees it and—holy cow—so do we.

Over the past few months, the breathy buzz on the show—about married and almost-married couples in various stages of intimacy-related despair and dishabille—has centered on the amount of its frank sexual content. And it was there all right—from minute two, when a man masturbates under the covers, to real-time full-monty couplings, to angelic, white-haired Jane Alexander kissing meaningfully down her husband’s graying chest. Throughout the hour, as bodies moved and eyefuls of flesh and bikini waxes flashed, it was still the sight of that erect penis being clinically manipulated into a graphic orgasm that prompted did-I-just-see-what-I-think-I-saw gapes from less action-packed couches nationwide.

“That scene … who knew that would be the most shocking?” said Tell Me You Love Me’s 47-year-old creator Cynthia Mort, a day after the show’s premiere. She insisted that when she wrote the pilot, she was not thinking about sackfuls of sex on the show. “I have to say, some of the guys [actors] were more squeamish than the women were about taking their clothes off. They’re not used to it. They’re not used to being exposed in every way,” she said. “One thing the show is doing, I hope, is giving guys a voice emotionally. You can’t do that unless you’re honest and authentic in every way. If that means showing them in bed nude … well, I don’t know a guy who has sex with his underwear on.”

But if a casual survey of initial male reaction to the show is any gauge, many men may not be so keen to be given a voice emotionally if it also means the male member is going to be on conspicuous, prime-time display. Just as the cinematic baring of female breasts led many women to compare themselves and despair, putting the male organ out their for public consumption may strike many men as disempowering, deflating and just plain icky.

“Male nudity—full-frontal nudity—has always been considered a lot more taboo than female nudity,” said Darren Star, executive producer of Sex and the City. “As far back as I can remember, there’s been a double standard between men and women. I think it’s time that men get equal time in terms of nudity.”
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firstly, i am all for full-frontal male nudity.

the double-standard is complex, and it mostly comes from straight male writers and directors who tend to put their own biases on the screen. but what is a more understandable reason for the lack of male nudity is the self-consciousness of the male actors themselves. one big difference between male genetalia and female genetalia is that the male genetalia is all out there for the world to see where as female genatalia is up inside the body. and men have been brutally judged on the size of their package by women, and by each other.

how many penis size jokes are there? are you a grower or a shower? you'll notice that while we'll see naked female and pubic hair, we do not see "the pink," as it were, outside of actual pornography. so it's not quite fair to say that full-frontal male nudity is the same thing as what we consider full-frontal female nudity.

that said, i thought the show was very interesting (and very well decorated -- i want the hand-job couple's house), and i thought the graphic male orgasm was absolutely approprite to the plot of the show, as the couple was dealing with difficulty conceiving, and it looks like his semen was the problem, and so she wanted to really see it. i also thought it was good for us to see old people being passionate with each other. granted, these are two great looking "old" people, but all the same, we're not used to seeing people with white hair french kissing.

i also think it's interesting that the show is about monogamous couples. this isn't about being a player, nor is the sex all that sexy. it does strike me as mostly honest, the only dishonest part being that most people aren't as beautiful (and well decorated) as the couples on the show.
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oh, and i think people in general, mostly men, need to get over their reaction to the visual presentation of a penis.

you have one too. watching something that shows a penis doesn't mean you're gay.

get over it.
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I think it's about time.
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one big difference between male genetalia and female genetalia is that the male genetalia is all out there for the world to see where as female genatalia is up inside the body. and men have been brutally judged on the size of their package by women, and by each other.

Not only that, but there's the big difference of the male genetalia HAVING to be stimulated in order to perform and the female doesn't. We've seen fully frontal male nude before, although much much less than female, but this is probably the first time I've seen erect male nude in "mainstream" cinema. They showed more than in soft core porn. Although I'm pretty sure prostetics were used in the handjob scene.
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Although I'm pretty sure prostetics were used in the handjob scene.


i thought it was real, Memphis said no.

the ejaculation did seem a bit mechanical, like someone pulled a trigger.
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I'm sure mainstream can afford to hire a few fluffers.
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I'm sure mainstream can afford to hire a few fluffers.


true, but if you're a big movie star, and you're averaged sized (6" erect), then you're going to be called "unfortunate" by the mainstream media. (remember the Jude Law thing?)

and people think Britney has it bad.

at least with your body you can exercise. you can't do a damn thing about your penis size.
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Cock double?
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i thought it was real, Memphis said know.

the ejaculation did seem a bit mechanical, like someone pulled a trigger.
Being that the pants were still on, and the fact he's still a mainstream actor and there's a lot of issues that would be going on, i.e. performace anxiety in front of camera, significant others, etc I just assumed it was fake... but who knows?

Well besides those two.
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you can't do a damn thing about your penis size.
You mean all those internet adds are bogus?!
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Cock double?

lol, quite possibly.

but, seriously, last weekend i was flipping through the channels and came across "Bridges of Madison County." it's an okay movie, but Meryl is positively brilliant in it. and she has a very, very tasteful nude scene where you see a glimpse of her pubic hair. and it was a critical visual to help depict her sexual awakening.

what if we had the same general scenario with a male actor of her prestige, but he has a small penis. would he be willing to give a small glimpse of his manhood in the way that a woman can and not suffer judgement?

basically, if it becomes commonplace, we'll know who's hung and who's not.

the penis at the end of "Boogie Nights" -- again, absolutely central to the story -- was a prosthetic, and i think many male underware models are stuffed as well, as i think MM was in the Calvin Klein ads.
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Somewhere, Kevin Bacon is laughing his (naked) ass off.
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Somewhere, Kevin Bacon is laughing his (naked) ass off.
We saw that movie in the theater, startled my ex gasped, "Oh my god, I just saw Kevin's bacon", really loud, setting off the whole theater. I thought it was hilarious, she crawled into a ball and turned red.
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basically, if it becomes commonplace, we'll know who's hung and who's not.

And about freaking time.
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