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Old 07-07-2005, 03:36 PM   #16
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This sucks big time. Damn terrorists.
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It's awful, it is, but as my husband reminded me today, in Iraq innocent people get blown up all the time, thirty or forty dead in a single day isn't anything unusual. They bleed the same way those in London did today, and they die just as horribly.
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It's awful, it is, but as my husband reminded me today, in Iraq innocent people get blown up all the time, thirty or forty dead in a single day isn't anything unusual. They bleed the same way those in London did today, and they die just as horribly.
yeah, it's sad how quickly we've gotten bored of suicide attacks in Iraq. they rarely make the first page. I think it takes something like this that hits a little closer to home (even as an American) to remind us how cruel these terrorists are.
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My dad's told me he has two theories regarding these attacks:

1: the terrorists who did it are part of Al-Queda and timed it around the G8 summit because they don't want people to help Africa with their problems, 'cause it makes their recruitment possiblities less likely .

2: the CIA gave the terrorists those weapons. The terrorists would naturally use them, and that'd give Cheney and Rumsfeld and them (Bush being exempt, because my dad says that if this happened regarding the CIA, chances are Bush wasn't informed, just like some other presidents in the past haven't been informed of things going on behind their backs-that's illegal, but it's happened) more reason to keep this war going. Some people here may not agree with this one, though.

I don't like either of these being the reason for the attacks, but if my dad happened to actually wind up being right about the second one in particular, then I'd say those who sold the weapons and all that would deserve to be punished just as much as the terrorists themselves. You don't do things like that.

Anywho, I would think that this bombing would be proof that maybe we should try and find another method to stop terrorism, because obviously the way we're waging this war on terror right now isn't working. If it was, things like this wouldn't keep happening. But they are. And we're back on alert as well. So maybe it's time to try something new.

I also get a bit irritated with people out there who will paint the Islamic faith as an evil one because of this. These people aren't any more representative of their religion than people like Jerry Falwell are representative of Christianity, for example. If people get all upset over a religion like Christianity being brushed off as a religion of death because of the actions of a few, then I would hope they'd get just as upset over people doing the same thing here.

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hmm...I can't really see the second one happening. while public support for the war is pretty low, I don't feel like there's that much public pressure here to pull out right away. I could be completely off, but it seems like even people against the war generally think we should "finish what we started." (talking about American attitudes there, not necessarily European attitudes)

while I do believe it was perpetrated by al queda or a similar group, I also don't think it has anything to do with the G8's aid to Africa. I can't see the G8 backing off in aid because of a bombing, that's kind of absurd (it may allow them to get away with a lousy plan though). I think it was more about the war in Iraq and sending the message that they have no problems killing and maiming innocent civilians in any country that cooperates with the US.
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I can't see the G8 backing off in aid because of a bombing
Oh, I don't think they will, either. But I can see some fringe groups being upset because they want to recruit people into their terrorist groups and if we're nice to the people they want to recruit, it kinda defeats their plans...which ticks 'em off.

I honestly don't know about the second option, either. These are just my dad's theories, I'm personally more likely to believe the first one than the second out of the two...but who knows. Weirder stuff has happened after all.

Or maybe it had nothing to do with either of those two things, maybe it's more like what you're saying, too. Whatever the reason, we can all obviously agree it still doesn't excuse the terrorists' actions and they do need to be dealt with. How to deal with them, though, is another matter.

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I had a dream last night that W was behind it. Personally behind it, I mean. He was carted off in handcuffs. Stupid dream, lol.

Had an interesting talk with my husband last night about the differences in opinion between the UK public and Blair, and Americans and Bush.
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What worries me about this is that the London bombings could have been planned so that officers might be released from the G8 summit to help out there...thus leaving Gleneagles more vulnerable to a follow-up attack.

Scary.
what is happening is absurd.
I don't have any words...
Just thoughts and prayers for the dead, their families and the injured people.
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Some will attempt to blame Tony Blair's government for bringing this horror to our capital. The people who set these bombs expect this reaction. They saw it in Madrid, and they crave it in London.

They must get the reverse. Under Blair's leadership Britain has taken its place in a war against Islamofascism, against the bombers of New York, Bali and Beslan, against those who believe that their love of death is stronger than our love of life. We saw that love clearly displayed last Saturday at 'Live 8' in one of this city's great parks - striking proof of this young, diverse nation's desire to engage with and assist the wider world.

We are right to be in this war, and right to work with progressive forces in the Islamic world who want a life free from tyranny, totalitarianism and the cult of death - such as the millions who voted in Iraq, such as the millions who today yearn for freedom in Iran. Together with our Moslem allies we must redouble our efforts - and, yes, our troop deployments - so that we can isolate and destroy Bin Ladenism wherever it chooses to make a stand, and send the clerical fascists back to the dark ages.

But many people will blame Tony Blair. Some of them have spent years saying that there is no real terror threat anyway, that the war is something worthy of inverted commas, something got up by the American right for its own dark purposes. Let yesterday prove that they were wrong. Let yesterday prove that 60 years after defeating another brand of this same poison, Londoners and Britons of all faiths and backgrounds can still see clearly who their enemies are, and refuse to bow the knee.

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I have yet to see how the so-called "War on Terror" is in any way, shape or form being advanced by the war in Iraq...unless it is that the latter is giving terrorists a training ground and a recruiting boost. If Bush and co. were actually serious about fighting terrorism, they should have stuck around in Afganistan rather than pull out the troops to send them into a "pre-emptive strike" against a country that had nothing to do with Bin Laden.
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You do know that they are still in Afghanistan right?
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I know the news channels are only doing their jobs....
But why must they keep showing it over and over and over and over again.

Isnt this just want these wankers want?....World Publicity to get noticed?
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Yeah, I'm aware of that. I also know that they pulled out manpower and more importantly translators, etc. who were key to the continuing success of that operation. And last time I checked, we still weren't any closer to catching Bin Laden.

Also, from my observations from my travels and encounters with people from many different countries, the level of worldwide support for the U.S. has dropped significantly since the invasion on Iraq. People can get behind chasing terrorists in Afganistan, but no one bought Bush's lies about Iraq and no amount of post-invasion moralizing about Saddam being an evil dictator can change that.
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They should have stuck to Afghanistan and bin Laden. I supported the action in Afghanistan but not Iraq.
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Old 07-09-2005, 08:04 AM   #30
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Hey A_Wanderer


We know the WHOs

We know the WHEREs - beslan, bali, , new york, moscow....whereever the WHOs are present..

and we know the HOWs.. dont we..


I have NOW realised that the actual TERRORISTs constitute only 10% of the problem ...the remaining 90% of the problems are

- terrorism sympathisers
- terrorism condoners
- terrorism justifiers

These people are the moral boosters of terrorists....its because of such people that terrorism is flourshing in all parts of the WORLD.. I know this is extremely disgusting..but this is what it is

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