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Old 07-04-2005, 08:18 AM   #1
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Live8 Wrong: Solve Poverty With Marxism

You have to respect George Galloway's courage, strength and indefatigability for the greater good, he saw through the wrongheaded bougiouse agenda of Live8 and understands that free trade, debt relief, grants instead of loans and support for a civil society is not the answer - revolution is
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"It's no accident that Blair has chosen Africa, where there is no ideological opposition... He is not talking about poverty in the Muslim world, not talking about Latin America because people are rising in revolution. The people of Bolivia have given their answer to the G8."
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Well Marxism worked a treat for Africa the first time around I mean just look at how well Ethiopia fared under Mengistu, look at Mugabe helping the people by building them "better, legal homes today. What could possibly be the harm in giving marxism another shot.

And as Galloway points out, it doesn't stop at Africa, every part of the world should rise up against "imperialism", all anti-globalists are allies in this struggle be they atheist communists or fundamentalist Islamists - unity is the key to defeating the great capitalist machine, fellow travellers against capitalist globalisation unite!

/heavy dose of sarcasm

Choice quote ~ (global capitalism is) "the biggest mass killer the world has ever seen" ~ which actually is true and makes clear and perfect sense in a world where the collapse of the Soviet Union is the worst day of ones life.
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They already tried Marxism in Russia and Eastern Europe, and everyone got equally poor. Before the Communists took over Czechoslovakia was #3 in the world in overall standard of living. By the time they kicked the Communists out they weren't in the top hundred, I don't think. The only people who had anything were the Party big shots who had all sorts of privileges courtesy of their own government. They were the Unfair Systems From Hell. I don't know where Galloway is getting his ideas, but he's got his head in the ground. I'll be damned if I think capitalism has all of the answers. It's flawed. But there's a way to address the flaws with government intervention to not make things so unforgiving, which is the problem with complete laissez faire capitalism.
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They already tried Marxism in Russia and Eastern Europe, and everyone got equally poor.

Oh, believe me, the upper classes (basically people high up in the Communist Party) were quite well off, living in huge houses or apartments, their kids attending the best schools because of connections, and so on. The other 99% were the "equally poor" of course, but it just goes to show why, IMO, Communism does not work. It is counterintuitive to the inherent competition found in the human race. Like all animals, humans participate in a survival of the fittest, and there are people of low, medium and high ambition, striving for very little or for great power. That's why Communism, as an equalizer, sounds great in principle, but is a big, fat failure in practice.
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There were actually leaflet distributors just outside Hyde Park handing out leaflets stating how Making Poverty History wouldn't happen unless it was implemented under a Communist regime.
I'm inclined to disagree, unsurprisingly. I'm not sure if these people were idealists or not, but they were certainly very serious.
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Yes most of the communists that I have hung around with were usually serious bastards, full of their own contradictions and ideological strictness. The actual hardcore marxists were generally better, apart from the ideological divide between us they were more anti-totallitarian than any other part of the socialist alliance.
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Commies...Capitialists...Islamic Fundamentalists...Christian Fundamentalists - all are fucked!!! Let's come up with something new for crying in the soup.
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Common Sensenism?
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Roger Waters was together with a serious communist girl sometime.. they bought houses in London for the poor people. So why did he say yes to reunite with the rest of the Floyd, quite possibly only for that one gig. Surely because he doubted the intentions of the organizers heh?

Revolutionary concepts in Latin America differ from those in Africa; to mix up those two is incompetent.

Leave those bullshit critics aside. It was a great show, and the next days will show what it´s worth from a political view, apart from the cultural event.
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Yep, it's true, with the demise of Saddam and Bin Laden disappearing off the radar screen, the right needed to find itself a new bogeyman, looks like the search is over.
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Oh, believe me, the upper classes (basically people high up in the Communist Party) were quite well off, living in huge houses or apartments, their kids attending the best schools because of connections, and so on. The other 99% were the "equally poor" of course, but it just goes to show why, IMO, Communism does not work. It is counterintuitive to the inherent competition found in the human race. Like all animals, humans participate in a survival of the fittest, and there are people of low, medium and high ambition, striving for very little or for great power. That's why Communism, as an equalizer, sounds great in principle, but is a big, fat failure in practice.
Sounds like Africa has this already. A small ruling party lives well at the expense of the masses.
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Yep, it's true, with the demise of Saddam and Bin Laden disappearing off the radar screen, the right needed to find itself a new bogeyman, looks like the search is over.
Usually the theory was that with the demise of Marxism the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy invented the dangers from Saddam and Bin Laden not the other way around.
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Ah...looks like modernism is starting to make some strides again. The "-isms" have made a comeback.

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