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Old 08-24-2005, 12:27 PM   #16
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If you guys truly believe that someone can win seven Tours in a drug infested sport without ever having 'dabbled', then that's your look out. I call it naive, but that's just me.
The testing for EPO began in 2001, and Armstrong hasn't tested positive for it during that time. Five tours right there.

Whether he did it beforehand or not, who knows? But I certainly don't regard what L'Equipe says as the truth, either.
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what he said.

also, doesn't he only train and race one event per year? i never thought that was very classy.
He usually would do smaller tours or one day events as part of his prepartion for the Tour, so to say he only did one event each year isn't exactly correct.

It would have been nice to have seen him in the Giro or Vuelta every now and then, though.
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I think some people are out to get him, but of course there's the possibility that it's true

I would be so disappointed if it is
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He usually would do smaller tours or one day events as part of his prepartion for the Tour, so to say he only did one event each year isn't exactly correct.

It would have been nice to have seen him in the Giro or Vuelta every now and then, though.

I recall the commentators on OLN saying that participating in the Giro d'Italia is possibly what cost Ivan Basso winning the tour this year.

I don't fault Lance for skipping out on the other big races. He was after the top prize and went about getting it the the way that best suited him.
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EPO is used to combat anemia for people undergoing chemotherapy. Must be some connection there.
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EPO is used to combat anemia for people undergoing chemotherapy. Wasn't he still undergoing chemo when he competed in 1999?

No, he was done with chemo in 1997, when he returned to cycling.
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No, he was done with chemo in 1997, when he returned to cycling.
yes, I edited my post after more research
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EPO is used to combat anemia for people undergoing chemotherapy. Must be some connection there.
EPO increases the amount of red blood cells in the body. More RBCs mean more hemogloblin (molecule that binds to oxygen for use in the body) and increased oxygen carrying capability. The more oxygen you carry, the longer you can go without fatiguing. For endurance sports like Cycling and Cross Country Skiing, this drug would be a major enhancer.
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"I believe it was very disconcerting for the French to have had their national sports event usurped by the man affectionately dubbed "The Uniballer"... At first I think they thought ti was a scaml the chemotherapy was an elaborate ruse to mask some performance enhancing drug. "It's only chemo, my little snail snackers." They held his urine and blood for a year, like a vintage Chardonnay that needed to be sampled by candlelight at a great restaurant."
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The thing I like best about lance is:

Winning a bunch of yellow jerseys! yay!
Beating cancer! yay!

Leaving his wife of many years and children to have sex with cheryl crow! yay!
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Yeah well he's not perfect, and as far as I know his marriage had split up long before he started a relationship w/ Sheryl. Marriages split up for many reasons, it doesn't make the people involved bad people.

Lance Armstrong Goes on the Counterattack

By JIM LITKE, AP

Lance Armstrong climbed down off his bike a month ago. His counterattacking skills, though, remain as sharp as ever. A day after the director of the Tour de France said the seven-time champion "fooled" race officials and the sporting world by doping, Armstrong responded to the growing controversy with harsh words for everyone connected to a report in L'Equipe, the French sports daily that made the original accusation.

"Where to start?" Armstrong mused during a conference call Wednesday from Washington, D.C. "This has been a long, love-hate relationship between myself and the French."

He went on to lambaste L'Equipe and question the science and ethics of the suburban Paris laboratory that stored frozen samples from the 1999 tour, tested them only last year and leaked the results used in the newspaper's report. He even suggested that officials of the Tour and sports ministries who were involved in putting the story together could wind up facing him in court.

"Right now," Armstrong said, "we're considering all our options."

But a moment later, he added, "In the meantime, it would cost a million and a half dollars and a year of my life. I have a lot better things to do with the million and a half ... a lot better things I can do with my time. Ultimately, I have to ask myself that question."

What convinced Armstrong to go on the offensive were remarks earlier Wednesday by tour director Jean-Marie Leblanc. He said L'Equipe's report that six urine samples Armstrong provided during his first tour win in 1999 tested positive for the red blood cell-booster EPO had convinced him the cyclist had cheated.

"The ball is now in his court," Leblanc told the newspaper. "Why, how, by whom? He owes explanations to us and to everyone who follows the Tour. Today, what L'Equipe revealed shows me that I was fooled. We were all fooled."

But in one sense, Armstrong felt the same way, saying he talked to Leblanc on the telephone after the tour director spoke to L'Equipe, but before those remarks were published.

"I actually spoke to him for about 30 minutes and he didn't say any of that stuff to me personally," Armstrong said. "But to say that I've 'fooled' the fans is preposterous. I've been doing this a long time. We have not just one year of only 'B' samples; we have seven years of 'A' and 'B' samples. They've all been negative."

Armstrong questioned the validity of testing samples frozen six years ago, how those samples were handled since, and how he could be expected to defend himself when the only confirming evidence — the 'A' sample used for the 1999 tests — no longer existed. He also charged officials at the suburban Paris lab with violating World Anti-Doping Agency code for failing to safeguard the anonymity of any remaining 'B' samples it had.

"It doesn't surprise me at all that they have samples. Clearly they've tested all of my samples since then to the highest degree. But when I gave those samples," he said, referring to 1999, "there was not EPO in those samples. I guarantee that."

EPO, formally known as erythropoietin, was on the list of banned substances when Armstrong won his first Tour, but there was no effective test to detect the drug. But Armstrong's assurances he never took performance-enhancing drugs has been good enough for his sponsors. A previously scheduled meeting with several brought him to Washington, and he said afterward, "We haven't seen any damage."

But Armstrong acknowledged the same was likely true at L'Equipe.

"Obviously, this is great business for them," he said. "Unfortunately, I'm caught in the cross-hairs.

"And at the end of day," he added, "I think that's what it's all about ... selling newspapers. And it sells
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Leaving his wife of many years and children to have sex with cheryl crow! yay!
I'm sure you were there right?
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Yeah well he's not perfect, and as far as I know his marriage had split up long before he started a relationship w/ Sheryl. Marriages split up for many reasons, it doesn't make the people involved bad people.



it's true.

Lance left his wife to have sex with Sandra Bullock.

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Seriously, I never heard he was involved w/ anyone, that had nothing to do w/ his marriage splitting up. Whatever happened, it is sad and between them.

You can't blame these famous women (or non-famous) for being attracted to him, I think he's an amazing man


he's so amazing I got carried away there
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