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Old 01-12-2005, 01:31 PM   #61
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his gayness got him killed




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James Carville is talking about this right now on Crossfire.
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no he's not


oh your an east coast babe

oops,

i mean young woman
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nice recovery.
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i'm a registered republican


i still got a little caveman in me, sorry
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you poor thing.
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[Q]It also upsets me that he was looked upon as a hero to the slaves when in reality, when you study his beliefs, he never wanted a society where blacks and whites mixed and lived as equals- he wanted the freed slaves shipped back to Africa, like the ones who were sent to Liberia earlier in the 19th century. In his presidential campaign, he even said he didn't care if slavery continued where it already existed, he only wanted to stop it from spreading west to new terrritories. The abolitionists disliked him for this and tried running an alternative candidate.[/Q]

Do not quote him....that might ruin the immage!
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i think an important question that has been asked is: does this matter? who cares if Lincoln was gay?

the answer, i think, is yes and no.

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you don't have to "rank" people on some sort of straight--gay scale to recognise that sexuality isn't as black and white as simply identifying as gay and straight. i don't really see any point in worrying about labelling sexuality anyway, for me saying i only like people of one gender or the other makes about as much sense as saying i only like people with brown hair or blue eyes. but that's just me.
I agree.
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as Mark Renton in Trainspotting said: "it's all about aesthetics and fuck all to do with morality."
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however, it does matter for some people -- probably those who are looking to further prove the utter naturalness of homosexuality, and to those who seek to battle it at every point. the fact that Lincoln may have been gay means a lot to that 3-5% of the population who are written out of history, who are given no role models, who are told in a milllion different ways that they are not fully human and cannot participate fully as either citizens or as human beings.
I believe this can apply to women as well.....I work my ass off trying to find women in history that I can teach about in school.
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I believe this can apply to women as well.....I work my ass off trying to find women in history that I can teach about in school.
Who have you come up with?
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noah's wife


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as Mark Renton in Trainspotting said: "it's all about aesthetics and fuck all to do with morality."
ah, trainspotting. both the book and the film are amazing. i still occassionally lapse into a scottish accent when writing, all thanks to mr welsh.
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I believe this can apply to women as well.....I work my ass off trying to find women in history that I can teach about in school.
That's tough. I have done some research on a medieval lady writer, Christine de Pizan. But it's incredibly difficult to find stuff about women in history. Back then it was a "man's world".
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