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Old 08-16-2006, 04:17 PM   #151
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[Sounds like Hillary's position too....which is why she will not win the nomination.


bingo.

i think he just triangulated her campaign stance on the war -- allows her to seem hawkish, yet distance herself from the debacle of Iraq. "i would have done it differently."
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Old 08-16-2006, 05:26 PM   #152
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Yeah, Hillary's support of the war is going to hurt her with the Democratic nomination. Iraq is probably going to be a big time issue in '08.
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Old 08-16-2006, 06:13 PM   #153
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"The most direct and significant kind of federal action aiding economic growth is ... to cut the fetters which hold back private spending," the president said. He urged Congress to "reduce the burden on private income and the deterrents to private initiative which are imposed by our present tax system" and vowed not to retreat from his pledge of "an across-the-board, top-to-bottom cut in personal and corporate income taxes."

The evidence is clear, he told his audience, "that our present tax system ... exerts too heavy a drag on growth ... siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power, [and] reduces the financial incentives for personal effort, investment, and risk-taking." He insisted -- defying the class warriors -- on tax cuts not only for low-income workers but also "for those in the middle and upper brackets, who can thereby be encouraged to undertake additional efforts and ... invest more capital."
President Bush? No. Try John F. Kennedy.

To take it a step further, Leiberman is doing today what the Republican Party did for FDR when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. They hated FDR's statist economic policies, but they knew that for the sake of saving their own country and the rest of the world, they would have to put their differences aside when it came to protecting their civilian population. I know Leiberman has a plan to fight terrorism, but does his opponent? I'll be surprised if it's not cut and run. Extremely surprised if he doesn't demand a "time table" of when we can start withdrawling the troops out of Iraq.
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Yeah, Hillary's support of the war is going to hurt her with the Democratic nomination. Iraq is probably going to be a big time issue in '08.
Oh absolutely. Not to mention, her support for video game censorship doesn't seem in line with her party either.

The war will destroy her if anything, though. However, I wholeheartedly believe she is left enough on the other issues to represent the Dems, plus she hasn't said - to my knowledge - any kind words about the war in Iraq since 2004.
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President Bush? No. Try John F. Kennedy.

To take it a step further, Leiberman is doing today what the Republican Party did for FDR when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. They hated FDR's statist economic policies, but they knew that for the sake of saving their own country and the rest of the world, they would have to put their differences aside when it came to protecting their civilian population. I know Leiberman has a plan to fight terrorism, but does his opponent? I'll be surprised if it's not cut and run. Extremely surprised if he doesn't demand a "time table" of when we can start withdrawling the troops out of Iraq.
None of this post has anything to do with this bullshit line:

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You didn't have to be a socialist to be a Democrat back then.
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Not to mention, her support for video game censorship doesn't seem in line with her party either.

Yeah, that's a big issue for this upcoming election.
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None of this post has anything to do with this bullshit line:

It thoroughly DEFINES how centrist the Dems were during the days of JFK.

* Universal Health Care...
* Raising Minimum Wage Again...
* Worker Unions...
* No Drilling at ANWR...
* Throw Billions Away To Fight Climate Change...

How aren't these policies socialist?
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Yeah, that's a big issue for this upcoming election.
I didn't say it was a huge issue. EMPHASIS was on the war in Iraq.
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How aren't these policies socialist?
The problem you have is you haven't defined how today's are...
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The problem you have is you haven't defined how today's are...
That could ONLY be a problem when YOU dodge a thought=provoking question when you don't have an answer.
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That could ONLY be a problem when YOU dodge a thought=provoking question when you don't have an answer.
What question?

You made the statement I first quoted. YOU have the burden of proof. You still haven't figured this out after all this time.
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It thoroughly DEFINES how centrist the Dems were during the days of JFK.

* Universal Health Care...
* Raising Minimum Wage Again...
* Worker Unions...
* No Drilling at ANWR...
* Throw Billions Away To Fight Climate Change...

How aren't these policies socialist?
Reading the above, it strikes me, not for the first time, how far to the extremist right wing US politics has actually become.

By way of perspective, in Ireland, the Progressive Democrats are regarded as the most pro-free market political party, yet they boast in their campaign literature about how they have increased the minimum wage. It seems that policies implemented by rightwing political parties in Europe would in the US be regarded as 'socalist'!

Also the idea that the current day US Democrats are somehow to the left of JFK (or even Lyndon Johnson, for that matter) is just laughably absurd.
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Reading the above, it strikes me, not for the first time, how far to the extremist right wing US politics has actually become.

By way of perspective, in Ireland, the Progressive Democrats are regarded as the most pro-free market political party, yet they boast in their campaign literature about how they have increased the minimum wage. It seems that policies implemented by rightwing political parties in Europe would in the US be regarded as 'socalist'!

Also the idea that the current day US Democrats are somehow to the left of JFK (or even Lyndon Johnson, for that matter) is just laughably absurd.
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Also the idea that the current day US Democrats are somehow to the left of JFK (or even Lyndon Johnson, for that matter) is just laughably absurd.
I disagree with this.

JFK was most definitely more to the center than today's democratic party.

LBJ is another story.
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I know Leiberman has a plan to fight terrorism, but does his opponent? I'll be surprised if it's not cut and run. Extremely surprised if he doesn't demand a "time table" of when we can start withdrawling the troops out of Iraq.
Thankfully it seems like the majority of Americans are finally waking up from some kind of special stupor that the rest of the world was never in and are beginning to once and for all divorce the war on TERRA from the war in IRAQ.
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