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Old 08-13-2006, 07:34 PM   #136
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it reflects poorly on Lieberman's character to ask for Democratic votes one day
and then the next say to not honor the outcome of that primary vote?
He is honoring the outcome by not running as a Democrat. Lieberman is not running for a seat only representing Democrats, but all of the people of CT.

Speaking of independents, what did you think of Ross Perot’s entry in the ’92 presidential race?
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Speaking of independents, what did you think of Ross Perot’s entry in the ’92 presidential race?
refresh my memory....did he not get his party nomination at a convention?

Or did he run as an independent?
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I thought Lieberman is running as an independent (just like Perot).
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I thought Lieberman is running as an independent (just like Perot).


when did Perot lose the Democratic Primary to Bill Clinton?
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Does that matter? I asked for thoughts regarding Perot.
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I thought Lieberman is running as an independent (just like Perot).

looks like you thought wrong

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"For the sake of our state, our country and my party," he went on, "I cannot and will not let that result stand," and therefore he was going to run as an "independent Democrat" in the general election in November.
What Lieberman neglected to add was that he was doing so for the sake of Joe Lieberman. His decision to undercut the man who beat him fair and square in the primary, political neophyte Ned Lamont, was a thumb to his nose at the 52 percent of Connecticut Democratic voters who said they didn't want him representing them anymore.
The next day, Lieberman added insult to injury by taking a shot at the primary system itself, saying he preferred to be judged by all Connecticut voters, not just his fellow Democrats. If that was the case, why didn't he just skip his party's primary and run as an independent in November?
The reason, obviously, was that when the contest started, the polls had him miles ahead and Lamont a total political unknown. Lieberman didn't dream, surprisingly, that his conspicuous support of President Bush and the war in Iraq, hugely unpopular in his liberal home state, would be such an anchor around his neck that a Democratic nobody could beat him.

just like Perot?

Perot did not run as an "independent Democrat"

didn't he run as a member of the "Reform Party"?


btw, Perot did not put Clinton in the Whitehouse as many GOP claim

the country knew very well who and what GHW Bush offered. They had 8 years of him as Reagan's VP and 4 years of him as president. Perot votes were a no on GHW Bush.


and I am reframing from name calling on Joe Lieberman

but I have the lowest opinion possible of him.
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Does that matter? I asked for thoughts regarding Perot.
Well, it matters in the sense that Perot ran as an independant PERIOD. He did not play to one party or another, lose the nomination and then run as an independant.

I was a Ross Perot supporter in 1992 and in 1996.

I thought he was a good thing at the time.
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Let's look at it this way. If Lieberman and Lamont ran against each other in a state-wide election, who do you think would win?

Perot bought his way into a Presidential election. I'm not sure that dropping large party support to run as an independent is necessarily worse.
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White House Press Secretary Tony Snow said this morning that President Bush will not endorse Connecticut U.S. Senate candidate Alan Schlesinger (R) over Sen. Joe Lieberman even though he's the Republican nominee.

Update: Tom Swan, Ned Lamont's (D) campaign manager, responds: "It is not surprising that Joe remains Bush’s favorite Senator, he is looking to run the exact same campaign that Bush did in 2004. Fortunately, the voters of Connecticut were smart enough to reject it then and we are confident they will again. It is alarming to see how far Joe will go, undermining every candidate across the country from his former party, to cling to his spot in Washington."
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Is Lamont running simply as the "anti-Bush" or does he have is own platform and ideas?
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yeah right

you are a hard core conservative

and Irvine is fearing for the Republican party

the truth is
both of you are hoping the party, you don't support, is not successful




5 more reasons why Lieberman sucks

why is it that only Republicans are lamenting his defeat?
You might consider me "hardcore." Fine. But today's Democratic Party has scored a ZERO in diversity of thought.

The party of JFK was respectable in spite of its flaws. You didn't have to be a socialist to be a Democrat back then. Hell, you could even believe in national sovereignty.

Would I still care if they were in power even if they had a plan for the war? Obviously. But the fact is they are baffled on the issue, and the only thing they agree on is that victory would only make the Republican Party look good.

The Republicans see Leiberman as a common sense outcast who, while not a conservative, is not a neutral-minded politician.
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You didn't have to be a socialist to be a Democrat back then.
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http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2314440&page=2

Clinton also discussed Sen. Joe Lieberman's loss in Connecticut's Democratic primary last week to anti-war liberal Ned Lamont.

Lieberman has characterized his loss — and the need for his subsequent independent run — as liberals in the party purging those with the Lieberman-Clinton position of progressiveness in domestic politics and strong national security credentials.

"Well, if I were Joe and I was running as an independent, that's what I'd say, too," Clinton said.

"But that's not quite right. That is, there were almost no Democrats who agreed with his position, which was, 'I want to attack Iraq whether or not they have weapons of mass destruction.'"

"His position is the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld position, which was, 'Does it matter if they have weapons? None of this matters. … This is a big, important priority, and 9/11 gives us the way of attacking and deposing Saddam.'"

Clinton said that a vote for Lamont was not, as Lieberman had implied, a vote against the country's security.



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[Q]"Well, if I were Joe and I was running as an independent, that's what I'd say, too," Clinton said.

"But that's not quite right. That is, there were almost no Democrats who agreed with his position, which was, 'I want to attack Iraq whether or not they have weapons of mass destruction.'"
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Sounds like Hillary's position too....which is why she will not win the nomination.
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