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Old 08-12-2001, 08:50 AM   #1
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Liberal Philosophy Makes Me Sick

I've interacted with a few thoughtful and nice Liberals on Interference. I'm thinking mainly of Bonoman, Rono, Trash Can, and a few others. But I've just gotta say it - except for the anti-death penalty platform, I think Liberal philosophy (political and moral)is one of the worst things that's happened to the world. As the subject line states, it "makes me sick". Who agrees?
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Old 08-12-2001, 11:58 AM   #2
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yes, it's always good to go with the "moral majority" and the good traditional values; and that "compassionate conservatism" makes me feel all warm + fuzzy

conservatives get it right when they say that Big Government should not control your life, but they get it wrong when they let Big Business + Religion slide in to take its place

I don't know, I don't really like either, each side wants to drag you as far to the left or right as they can, so they can further their agenda, which is almost always flawed

for instance, I am pro-choice but there are many pro-choice advocates who would consider me a threat and enemy to their agenda because I think 3rd term abortions should be banned and I also support adoption and think it should be heavily promoted; and i don't comprehend how pro-lifers could oppose the morning after pill, which would drastically reduse the number of abortions that occur and also please many conservatives who would not be faced with paying tax dollars to well-fare mothers [finis]

but if it really makes you sick 80sU2isBest, you should go to the doctor, provided you're not one of the 45 million Americans without healthcare coverage
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Fair enough 80sU2isBest. Try to enlighten those liberal-minded folks out there by pointing out some of the virtues of conservative philosophy.

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80sU2, count your blessings: you don't have any left wing politics in your country.

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Originally posted by Matthew_Page2000:
Well, ignore the troll after this brief response:
Bono is a liberal thinker, both politically and morally.
Edge is a liberal thinker, both politically and morally.
Adam is a liberal thinker, both politically and morally.
Larry is a liberal thiner, both politically and morally.
Many, many people who post to interference are liberal thinkers, both politically and morally.

We all make you sick?

You're attitude here certainly makes ME feel a bit sick.

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I don't mind being disagreed with. By posting something like this, I am inviting it. However, you have stated some inaccuracies about me, so I will correct you.

First, I'm not a troll. I've been active on this forum a lot longer than you. And if you had followed this forum any at all this last year, you'd realize that liberal philosophy has made me sick from day one. Everyone i've debated with knows that. I've never come righht out and said it, but you don't have to be a genius to read between the lines and see how I feel. And if you'll read the damn post again, you'll see that I said "liberal philosophy makes me sick", not "liberal people". In the same post, I even listed some people who have liberal philosophy that I enjoy. In the future, please read things more clearly before jumping on someone.
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..., I think Liberal philosophy (political and moral)is one of the worst things that's happened to the world.
Why?
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Well me being a liberal i dont know?
bonoman, I am truly sorry if I misstated your political affiliation. However, I do enjoy conversing with you, whether you're conservative or liberal. If I misstated anyone else's political affiliation, I am also sorry.

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I'm sick of one Party that no one is invited to except the economic elite; bonoman is right, and what i was trying to say before was that I HATE black & white politics, where everything is either one or the other, luckily however, the bastards have to compromise with each other and they can't do too much damage
I am not economically elite at all. Neither are most of my Republican friends. However, if you'd like to talk about elite, take a long at the Kennedy family. As we all know, they are Democrats. Are there rich people in the Republican party? Oh yes, but they certainly don't have any monopoly on having rich members. There are a BUNCH of rich Democrats. And there certainly isn't any "litmus test" which states that if you aren't rich you can't get into the Republican party.

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I think (correct me if I'm wrong) The Wanderer means that if you aren't part of the economic elite, you'll have less reasons to vote republican.
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Fair enough 80sU2isBest. Try to enlighten those liberal-minded folks out there by pointing out some of the virtues of conservative philosophy.
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This is what I consider the virtues of conservative philosophy.

1)Protection of the unborn
2)Protection of religious freedom (yes, for EVERY religion)
3)Belief in small government
4)Belief in the right for a person to bear arms to protect him/herself
5)A capitalistic society, wherein every person has a right to better himself economically

These are the big ones for me, but there are others.

To be fair, there is an area in which I hold views similar to many liberals...

1)Anti-Death Penalty

And the following issue is one that I think many people from both parties agree with, but has been adopted mainly by the liberals:
1)Ethical treatment of animals. I don't believe in experimentation on animals for any reason other than necessary disease research.


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Why?
Here's why:

1)A decay in the way society views morals and God. I realize that not every one believes in the same morals I do, but you asked me why, so these are my opinions, based on my moral values. I'm also not saying that liberals are morally bankrupt and that conservatives have a monopoly on moral living. But what I am saying is that Liberal thinking is a very large part of what has led to the hedonistic "nothing is wrong as long as no one is hurt" thought that so permeates our society today. Some things are just outright wrong, but good luck finding that idea reinforced in society these days. The sexual revolution of the 60s was in one way a direct result of liberal philosphy, and in another way launched a whole new wave of it that is still strong today. Before the 60s, immorality did of course occur, but back then it was something to be ashamed of. Today, immorality is flaunted as if it is a medal of honor. Joe's sleeping with Jack's wife, while Jack is sleeping with Tom's 19 year old daughter, and society says "oh what a shame" and moves on as if everything is okay. The Bridges of Madison County glorifies the decision of a married person to continue an affair rather than stay faithful to the spouse. This is a theme that runs rampant throughout Hollywood movies.

2)The idea that governement knows what is best for our money. I'm tired of the government robbing us of our money and forcing it into useless programs like the two NEAs (National Education Agency and National Endowment Of the Arts).

3)A certain aspect of liberal philosphy would have this entire country unable to defend itself if it had its way and guns were taken away from teh law-abiding citizens. Wanna take guns away? Fine. Take tehm away from the felons. But you take them away from law-abiders, and you're just asking for more and more murder, as the bad guys now have less to worry about. Not only that, but you're giving the government the chance to roll over us like they did in Tieneman Square.
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80sU2, count your blessings: you don't have any left wing politics in your country.

I couldn't have said it better! At best, today's Democratic party represents a centrist view....now the Green Party is far more liberal than the Democratic Party. Agree with misterboo...in essence the two parties are very similar.
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no 80sU2, I wasn't saying that only Republicans are the economic elite, I was saying that politicians and the ones pulling their strings are, and you are right, it's certainly not exclusive to one Party
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You've all given me food for thought, except Matthew Page. I like this type of discussion. I would like to further clarify a point. When I speak of Liberals and Conservatives, I'm not really talking about Democrats and Republicans. There are some Republicans I don't like - Arlen Specter, etc., and some Democrats I do - like Zel Miller and Jim Trafficant.
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Old 08-12-2001, 11:43 PM   #15
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as far as conservatives go, I really respect and admire Sen. Orin Hatch; and among liberals I like former Senator Bill Bradley; Jesse Ventura is a bit crude and I don't always agree with him, but at least you know what you're getting with him, and that's rare these days... overall, I think Ralph Nader is probably the most sincere and honest of any mainstream politician (if you can even consider him mainstream)

I'm interested to see what others think; what U.S. politicians do you admire the most? What about in Europe? What thoughts do you have on Tony Blair, Gerhard Schroeder, Vladimir Putin, Jacques Cherac and others? (maybe this should be a separate thread but I'll give people the chance to respond here if they want)

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