Libby: Guilty

The friendliest place on the web for anyone that follows U2.
If you have answers, please help by responding to the unanswered posts.

Irvine511

Blue Crack Supplier
Joined
Dec 4, 2003
Messages
34,518
Location
the West Coast
[q]Libby found guilty in CIA leak trial
By MICHAEL J. SNIFFEN and MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writers

Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, was convicted Tuesday of lying and obstructing a leak investigation that reached into the highest levels of the Bush administration.

Libby is the highest-ranking White House official to be convicted of a felony since the Iran-Contra scandal of the mid-1980s. The case brought new attention to the Bush administration's much-criticized handling of weapons of mass destruction intelligence in the run-up to the Iraq war.

The verdict culminated a nearly four-year investigation into how CIA official Valerie Plame's name was leaked to reporters in 2003. The trial revealed how top members of the administration were eager to discredit Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who accused the administration of doctoring prewar intelligence on Iraq.

Libby, who was once Cheney's most trusted adviser and an assistant to President Bush, was expressionless as the jury verdict was announced on the 10th day of deliberations. His wife, Harriet Grant, choked out a sob and sank her head.

He faces up to 30 years in prison when he is sentenced June 5 but under federal sentencing guidelines is likely to face far less. Defense attorneys immediately promised to ask for a new trial or appeal the conviction.

"We have every confidence Mr. Libby ultimately will be vindicated," defense attorney Theodore Wells told a throng of reporters. "We believe Mr. Libby is totally innocent and that he didn't do anything wrong."

Libby did not speak to reporters.

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, who has led the leak investigation, said no additional charges would be filed. That means nobody will be charged with the leak and Libby, who was not the source for the original column outing Plame, will be the only one to face trial.

"The results are actually sad," Fitzgerald said. "It's sad that we had a situation where a high-level official person who worked in the office of the vice president obstructed justice and lied under oath. We wish that it had not happened, but it did."

White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino said Bush watched news of the verdict on TV in the Oval Office. Perino said the president respected the jury's verdict but "was saddened for Scooter Libby and his family."

Perino said "I would not agree" with any characterization of the verdict as embarrassing for the White House.

"I think that any administration that has to go through a prolonged news story that is unpleasant and one that is difficult — when you're under the constraints and the policy of not commenting on an ongoing criminal matter — that can be very frustrating," she said.

Libby was convicted of one count of obstruction, two counts of perjury and one count of lying to the FBI about how he learned Plame's identity and whom he told. Prosecutors said he learned about Plame from Cheney and others, discussed her name with reporters and, fearing prosecution, made up a story to make those discussions seem innocuous.

[...]

Collins, a former Washington Post reporter, said jurors wanted to hear from others involved in the case, including Bush political adviser Karl Rove, who was one of two sources for the original leak. Defense attorneys originally said both Libby and Cheney would be witnesses and Rove was on the potential witness list.

"I will say there was a tremendous amount of sympathy for Mr. Libby on the jury. It was said a number of times, 'What are we doing with this guy here? Where's Rove? Where are these other guys?' " Collins said. "I'm not saying we didn't think Mr. Libby was guilty of the things we found him guilty of. It seemed like he was, as Mr. Wells put it, he was the fall guy."

Though the case never proved a White House conspiracy to out Plame as retribution for Wilson's criticism, Fitzgerald showed how adamant some members of the Bush administration were to discredit Wilson. Fitzgerald provided a parade of senior administration officials and top journalists as government witnesses.[/q]



so ... let's restate the obvious. this is really about the lengths Cheney went to in order to manipulate and distort and cherry-pick the WMD intelligence that the White House used to sell the invasion of Iraq to the American people. all talk about oil fields in Saudi Arabia and Arab Democracy and fighting Al-Qaeda is nonsense, a smokescreen. perhaps these were the ulterior motivations for the war, and perhaps these comprise a better case for war than the idea of a WMD being floated up the Potomac and leveling southeast Capitol Hill, but the case that was made to the American public was the direct threat of Saddam's WMDs to the American people, and it was this threat -- this fabricated threat to the homeland -- that made the American public willing, at first, to go along for the ride. 9-11 was terrifying. it's understandable. to a point.

not so anymore.

what we have is a VP who is so nervous about the exposure of his activites that he wildly overreacts to any and all critics (really, we were at war, just how much time did this deserve? quite a bit as it turns out) and why a man like Libby was willing to go to jail in order to protect his superiors.

we need a formal Congressional investigation, and impeachment proceedings if they are warranted.
 
Not guilty!! (according to Faux News)

libby_verdict.jpg


http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/index.php?p=367

;)
 
Presidential pardon? Is Bush that bold?

This entire administration is full of liars. I don't trust any one of them as far as I could spit.
 
Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.

The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html
 
Dontcha kinda suspect that Libby is the fall guy in this whole scenario.

The one appointed to "take one for the team" while everyone else gets off scot free.
 
A_Wanderer said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html




thus begging the question as to why Cheney was so worried about this guy in the first place ... after all, if you've got nothing to hide ...
 
BonosSaint said:



Actually, I think that is correct. I think that is the one count he was found "Not guilty" for.:wink: Generally, though, when one is found guilty on four counts, the other count isn't the one highlighted. Was that the first verdict in?
I think the one "not guilty" count got 99% of the coverage, while the four "guilty" ones just got a passing mention.

But after the Foley thing (where Fox labeled him a Democrat several times) people are watching out for these things and grabbing them when they come up.
 
Oh, I know. Fox is a disaster. I think their focus on the one Not Guilty is hysterical. I remember the Foley scandal headlines. Fox is such a tool.

I'm not totally up on the legalities. Is that the charge that might have most led back to Cheney or Rove? Do they have a reason for that particular focus or is this just the usual delusion, intellectual dishonesty or blatant misleading?

Regardless, I loved the headline.:wink:
 
Irvine511 said:

thus begging the question as to why Cheney was so worried about this guy in the first place ... after all, if you've got nothing to hide ...
But if the evidence shows that Saddam was trying to get uranium from Niger and that Plame was leaked by an opponent of neo-cons and Iraq war then it puts it all in a different position. The narrative of Wilson being punished for speaking truth to power doesn't gel with the events.
 
A_Wanderer said:
But if the evidence shows that Saddam was trying to get uranium from Niger and that Plame was leaked by an opponent of neo-cons and Iraq war then it puts it all in a different position. The narrative of Wilson being punished for speaking truth to power doesn't gel with the events.



that's a misformulation of what went on here.

it isn't about Wilson; Wilson could have said that Saddam was breeding a race of half-man, half-ape humanoid soldiers, and if the WH sought to destroy him by violating national security and outing his CIA wife, that becomes the issue.

this isn't about Wilson speaking Truth to Power. this is about Wilson speaking, and the abuse of power that got him punished for doing so.

and, again, if they were right and Wilson was wrong, why didn't they just let it go and take some criticism? it was just a stupid op-ed, that's all.
 
WH sought to destroy him by violating national security and outing his CIA wife

But they did not out Plame because she couldn't be outed. There was no crime committed. This was not about the 'outing', because there was none.

This was about a bunch of people testifying against each other about lying, forgetting, etc...
 
Back
Top Bottom