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Old 05-15-2007, 08:26 PM   #1
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Let's Talk About CUBA Baby!!!!

SO what is the deal? Is Castro's demise going to bring about a reconciliation with CUBA?

Or .... Continuation of the same old shite?
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Old 05-15-2007, 08:34 PM   #2
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The rest of the world has totally normal relations with Cuba, I can't see why the US is incapable of doing so.

Although, that means that American tourists will invade in hordes. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted...

(All joking aside, I actually prefer American tourists to most Europeans.)
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The rest of the world has totally normal relations with Cuba, I can't see why the US is incapable of doing so.
Because the Cuban-American vote is crucial to every single politician in this stupid country. God forbid we should do anything to piss them off.
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Germany doesn't have normal relations with Cuba anymore. Cuba presented the GDR with a small island. Yet, they didn't want to give this island to Germany a few years later only because of a tiny change in politics. We are pissed off!




I'm afraid his brother will try to continue the old style.
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My impression about Cuba:

A lot of sugar!

Castro is a relatively quit handsome old man, and a respectable dreamchaser.

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Although, that means that American tourists will invade in hordes. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted...
Being a frequent visitor to Canada, I find that this is always an easy joke to crack on my part.

I still don't think that I'd visit Cuba even if I could, though. I cannot, in good conscience, spend money in a country whose government I do not support. This would preclude me from currently visiting Mexico, as well.
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^ r u visiting a country for sightseeing or r u meeting the government officials?
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^ r u visiting a country for sightseeing or r u meeting the government officials?
When you spend money in a country, you indirectly support the government behind it. At the very least, the taxes generated from your purchases keep the government in business.
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When you spend money in a country, you indirectly support the government behind it. At the very least, the taxes generated from your purchases keep the government in business.
It sound to me like if there's no tourist, the government would went down or something...which, unfortunately, impossible.

Or simply, if you so concious about the taxes thing, go camping.
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It's merely a gesture of personal conscience. I will not be some arrogant American tourist vacationing in some sequestered "tourist zone" while the natives live in poverty and/or political oppression.
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It's okay Ormus, I think, for each country to have their own set of social structure. They really don't have to reach the American standard.

The world should be the way it is, and that's why, it's so colorful.

Ever consider to go to Africa?
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When you spend money in a country, you indirectly support the government behind it. At the very least, the taxes generated from your purchases keep the government in business.
But that means I'd never be able to go to your outlet malls again.
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But that means I'd never be able to go to your outlet malls again.


i was thinking something along these lines ...
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Oh boy...

Here's where you can ask the Cuban, I guess.

My parents were born in 1958 in Cuba, (one in Camaguey, a farm providence in the west, the other in Havana, the capital on the east) just one year before Castro took over. Castro had promised the people that it would not become a Communist state. Within years, my grandparents decided that they would flee their homeland, their families, their own personal belongings to come to the United States with no money and young kids to start a new life.
My mom has told me several times about leaving everything she owned behind. The only thing they were allowed to take on the flight to Miami was one suitcase of clothes each and one toy. My mom was nine when she left, my dad was ten.
As of today, I still have so much extended family in Cuba. My grandmother's sister broke her hip a few years ago. The hospital botched up her surgery and it became infected. Her leg is now six inches shorter than it should be. She depends on us to send her custom made shoes so she can walk.
My boss visited Cuba a few years ago as part of an orthopedic/prosthetic study on other countries. He said that the doctors had tools that had never been used. He said it felt like it was all staged for them. State of the art equipment, but the doctors there have no idea how to use it. And no, this guy is not a Cuban. He's a white boy from Wisconsin.

Over the years, my grandmother has sent her family money every month to help with food. Every person in Cuba receives a ration card where they are alloted a certain amount of everything. If the store runs out, your luck runs out and you go home empty.
Now I'm not even sure if she still does send money since Castro declared that American currency would no longer be accepted in Cuba.

I can see the appeal of visiting Cuba, after all, check out Varadero beach:

But you have to remember that this is Castro's tourist trap to feed his own pockets, and those of his subordinates. In movies like Miami Vice, they show Havana being the hit party spot. This is more what the real Cuba looks like:

Even though the following photos are from an extremely biased site, I can confirm that this is what Cuba looks like. My grandmother visited her family about 10 years ago, before all the new U.S. restrictions on visiting Cuba were put into place. This is really what it looks like.

One of our parks holds a memorial every year for all the political Cuban prisoners who have been killed under Castro's regime.

The crosses grow in number every year.

Again, I can see how people can ask to lift the restrictions, but if you do buy things from Cuba, you will only be supporting Castro's government. He does nothing to help his people. He's one of the richest men in the world (I think a total wealth of 900 million dollars) and yet his country is one of the poorest. Just a classic case of dictatorship, I suppose.
Here in Miami, we already have plans to celebrate Castro's death with a party at the Orange Bowl. When they announced he was sick, people took to the streets in celebration. So many people want to go back to their homes, to their remaining family. They fled because of necessity and they've accepted changing their lives around to join the American culture. Given the chance, many of them would love to be Cuban citizens again under a free Cuba.

I can answer any other questions about Cuba if you'd like, and if I can't I can always ask my mom.

And pretty much every Cuban I've ever met is a Republican. I'm not, but I also won't support anyone who can view Castro (or Che Guevara for that matter) in a favorable light.
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what do you think is going to happen in Cuba once Castro dies?



what do the Democrats need to do in order to start to win the Cuban-American vote (so critical in the swing state of Florida)?



what are the best things about Cuba? (and i mean the country, not the people)
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