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http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/08/12/thou_art_no_romeo/

Thou art no Romeo
Famed swan couple is all-female
By Donovan Slack, Globe Staff | August 12, 2005

Boston's beloved pair of swans -- feted by city leaders, residents, and tourists alike as one of the Hub's most celebrated summer attractions -- are a same-sex couple. Yes, scientific tests have shown that the pair, named Romeo and Juliet, are really Juliet and Juliet.

The city's Parks and Recreation Department conducted the tests months ago, but didn't announce the results for fear of destroying the image of a Shakespearean love story unfolding each year in the Public Garden.

''Each year when the swans go in, the kids immediately come to us and say, 'Which one's Romeo, and which one's Juliet?' " parks spokeswoman Mary Hines said yesterday in response to a Globe inquiry. ''It's just like one of those fairy tales; why spoil it?"

This year and last, the swans have laid eggs in the spring and then stood guard at the nest as visitors and nearby residents made regular pilgrimages, hoping to see the eggs hatch. Neither batch did. Turns out, that's because they were never fertilized by a male swan.

The news ignited something of a debate among swan spectators in the Public Garden yesterday, with some insisting the city now should buy a true Romeo and others saying the city should embrace the two as a couple.

''If these two swans are happy together, they shouldn't have to have a guy," said Emma Stokien, a 15-year-old from New York. ''It's good to have the swans as a symbol of the acceptance in Massachusetts."

Some advocates involved in the heated debate on same-sex marriage took the opportunity to rejuvenate their argument, with a touch of levity.

''I think this proves that there's something in the environment in Massachusetts," Brian Camenker, director of the Article 8 Alliance, a Waltham-based organization fighting same-sex marriage, joked in a telephone interview. ''Maybe it's the water that's causing all this lunacy."

The city has kept swans at the Public Garden lagoon for 16 summers. City parks officials adopted the current Romeo and Juliet a few years ago, after others died. The breeder told the city that both were female, a good fit for the Public Garden because specialists say male swans tend to be aggressive.

But when the eggs showed up last spring and the swans began acting like future parents, park rangers thought the breeder had made a mistake. They began preparing for the first-ever hatching of swan babies, or cygnets, in the Public Garden.

Park rangers constructed a fence around the nest of nine or so eggs and began making regular checks, trying to monitor the progress of the eggs. In mid-July, though, the eggs began to disappear, one by one. The swans themselves had been seen kicking some of them into the nearby lagoon. Speculation abounded that maybe the swans had been inattentive. They tended to abandon the nest for hours on end. Maybe the public attention had disrupted their parenting, some said.

Rangers managed to save one egg with hope of getting to the bottom of the mystery. After testing, they discovered the egg had never been fertilized. And when the swans returned to their winter home at the Franklin Park Zoo, parks officials decided to have their genders tested. Not an easy task, specialists said.

It's not just a matter of turning the birds upside down, said aviculturalist Frederick Beall, general curator of Zoo New England, who performed the tests. It requires inverting the bird's rear quarters and performing a detailed examination of reproductive organs. While there is a small margin of error, Beall said he has no doubt that both Romeo and Juliet are female. ''We are 100 percent certain," he said.

Swans will pair up with members of the same sex if there are no opposite-sex mates available, and one will act out the role of the opposite gender. They tend to stay with the same mates until death, typically between age 20 and 30.

''You could have two males, and they'll go through all the same behaviors, building a nest and sitting on it, but you won't have the eggs," Beall said.

Within an hour of the swans' return to the Public Garden in the spring, Romeo or Juliet -- rangers aren't sure which one -- laid a single egg, built a nest to house it, and began the pre-parental behavior. One would sit on the nest while the other shooed ducks away or went off to drink and feed. Sometimes they switched roles. After a week, though, the swans abandoned the nest, and the egg was found destroyed. Rangers removed the nest and fence, without grieving for the egg that would never hatch. (Swans typically lay only one clutch per year.)

As Romeo and Juliet, who are between 6 and 7 years old, stood on the rim of the lagoon yesterday, where swan boats glided by only yards from their nesting ground, spectators snapped pictures and commented on their beauty.

''They should have a Romeo," lamented Laura Elsheimer, a Hudson resident and owner of Sunshine Taxi Cab.

A visitor from Fort Lauderdale, Fla., suggested that the city should try to have one of next year's eggs fertilized so that Romeo and Juliet could become same-sex parents. ''I'm sure they'd probably be perfect parents," said L.D. Hollingsworth, smiling as he watched the swans grooming themselves.

Some same-sex marriage advocates hoped the swans' celebrity would not be diminished by the revelation of their same-sex status.

Marty Rouse, campaign director of MassEquality, said in a telephone interview: ''We should still cherish and love our swans, no matter whom they choose to swim with."
 
I read about that last week, as I type this Romney is shipping those swans out of town because it will be a huge scandal when he runs for President. NO GAY OR LESBIAN SWANS!!!!!!!

The Public Garden is pretty btw, if anyone ever gets to visit there.
 
:lol:


Irvine511 said:

''I think this proves that there's something in the environment in Massachusetts," Brian Camenker, director of the Article 8 Alliance, a Waltham-based organization fighting same-sex marriage, joked in a telephone interview. ''Maybe it's the water that's causing all this lunacy."

:rolleyes:
 
It is clear Massachussets must be put in quarantine, to ensure that swans elsewhere do not catch the disease of gay liberalism.

:wink:
 
Hmm... two females living happily together with no man in sight - sounds like a lot of women's idea of Paradise. :evil:


:giggle:
 
nbcrusader said:
Why do we project human sexuality on animals?

Why do we think we're immune from animal nature? "Sexuality" is probably our most "animal" of qualities.

Likewise, looking at animal nature, we get a bit of a window into what we were like until human constructed "morality" got in the way. And this can be said about all cultures and their respective religions, not just the U.S. or the West or Christians. Anthropology did a great service on these subjects by spending much of the 20th century studying remote cultures completely unaware of Western morality, and seeing how they acted, as well, was a good window into our nature.

There was a huge habit, prior to that, of assuming our cultural constructs were genetic. In fact, until the 1950s, people believed that "teenage rebellion" was genetic.

Melon
 
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nbcrusader said:


My wife does. I realize we do project human qualities on animals, but I'm not sure it we really learn about ourselves.



i think there are two main points:

1. cute story
2. homosexuality -- and i might see your point here in that human sexuality is vastly more complex and a one-to-one comparison isn't applicable, yet i think you can say that these swans are as homosexual as most other swans are heterosexual -- does exist in the animal world

the third story would be if Rick Santorum were to blame the lesbianism (really, just same-gendered attraction, but it's fun to talk about lesbian swans, no?) of these birds on the liberalness of Boston and Massachusetts ...

;)
 
nbcrusader said:
Well, that's the question. Does mere companionship of two female swans make them "homosexual"?



in as much as homosexuality is a sexual and emotional orientation towards the same gender, yes.

these swans are as functionally homosexual as the other swans are functionally heterosexual.
 
There is a children's book out telling a true story of two male penguins, I believe in New York, who made a nest. The keepers gave them an abandoned egg and they raised the chick as their own.

I have a same-sex parakeet couple, they are very much in love. My sister renamed them Kyan and Carson. :wink:
 
Irvine511 said:

in as much as homosexuality is a sexual and emotional orientation towards the same gender, yes.

these swans are as functionally homosexual as the other swans are functionally heterosexual.

I guess I don't see animals as capable of the same sexual/emotional orientation as humans. I think we see parallels to our own emotions.
 
nbcrusader said:


I guess I don't see animals as capable of the same sexual/emotional orientation as humans. I think we see parallels to our own emotions.



i agree.

however, if animals are capable of conducting their mating/parenting duties with either a member of the same sex or the opposite, i think we might be able to call that "hetero/homosexual" (as opposed to "straight" or "gay" ... like the difference, say, between sex, which is biological, and gender, which is cultural). but you're right, it's a flawed term.

cute story, though.
 
nbcrusader said:


I guess I don't see animals as capable of the same sexual/emotional orientation as humans. I think we see parallels to our own emotions.

Do you really believe this? I dont, if I would believe it, then i'd have to say you must be a cold hearltess bastard, right? Loving and caring for an animal is almost purely all give. They're selfish little bastards, and I say this as someone who has had numerous cats and dogs at a constant my whole life. It is pretty much a one way street. If there are parallels though, why do humans who are caring and giving individuals not necessarily want to own and care for a selfish pet?
 
Angela Harlem said:
Do you really believe this? I dont, if I would believe it, then i'd have to say you must be a cold hearltess bastard, right? Loving and caring for an animal is almost purely all give. They're selfish little bastards, and I say this as someone who has had numerous cats and dogs at a constant my whole life. It is pretty much a one way street. If there are parallels though, why do humans who are caring and giving individuals not necessarily want to own and care for a selfish pet?

I hope you misunderstood my statements when you respond this way.

I am not saying that people cannot care for animals. I believe that animals are not capable of the same emotions as humans.

When we see an animal respond to us, we tend to define it in terms of our own human emotions. That makes people happy and enjoy owning a pet.
 
nbcrusader said:

When we see an animal respond to us, we tend to define it in terms of our own human emotions. That makes people happy and enjoy owning a pet.



you know, they used to believe that was true. that your pet didn't really love you, that it's desire for affection was little more than an instinctual pleasure thing, and that the enthusiasm your average dog exhibits when his master returns is little more than a replication of your own emotions.

but now, scientists are more in line with pet owners. while not on a human level, anyone who has had pets and deeply loved them knows well that pets are capable of love, need affection and attention, and have much more complicated moods and emotions that originally given credit. of course, we do anthromorphize these things, but they are real, they just exist on a dog level, which is about the level of a 2 or 3 year old child.

it might take being a pet owner to truly appreciate, but it's very real.
 
AvsGirl41 said:
There is a children's book out telling a true story of two male penguins, I believe in New York, who made a nest. The keepers gave them an abandoned egg and they raised the chick as their own.

I have a same-sex parakeet couple, they are very much in love. My sister renamed them Kyan and Carson. :wink:

The gay penguins! :cute:
 
nbcrusader said:

When we see an animal respond to us, we tend to define it in terms of our own human emotions.

Behavioural scientists would disagree with you. Many of them adamantly.
 
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