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Old 10-27-2004, 12:01 AM   #1
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Lefties Love U2? Not Necessarily...

It's been a long-held belief of mine that if you're a U2 fan, your political views tend to veer towards the left. But FYM has challenged this view considerably, and a thread on a major left-wing blog has now blown this assumption apart.

atrios.blogspot.com right now has a thread called "New U2" on its home page. The blogmaster, atrios, started it by commenting that he thinks "Vertigo" sounds like the Supremes "You Keep Me Hanging On." A few people have mentioned that they like U2, like me (who posted over there as librarydiane), but others have been going on about how they don't like U2. One person said the Pogues are the only good Irish band...in fact, judging by the comments there, the Pogues are pretty popular. Another brought up Henry Rollins. A couple of the comments have been downright vile, and would have gotten the thread closed at Interference. Several dislike the "uno, dos, tres...catorce"...oh, it goes onandonandON, and you here get the idea.

I'd love to see what you Interferencers think of this thread, if you get a chance to check it out...it's getting pretty lengthy.

As for me, I feel like everything I knew was wrong, nothing I believed was true. Yeah, I'm being overly dramatic, but I can't understand how anyone can dislike U2, and I've enjoyed reading this left-wing blog and...the fact that so many people there dislike this band that is so important to me makes me feel much less enthusiastic about that place.

But I'm still enthusiastic about Kerry/Edwards...!
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Old 10-27-2004, 12:11 AM   #2
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I used to be rather left of centre and loved U2, but that changed quite drastically to libertarian (for many of the same reasons as someone like Christopher Hitchens supports Bush) and I still love U2.

I doubt that political persuasion has too much to do with somebodies taste in music. But Atrios and Kos didn't win the WaPo readers choice blog awards but LGF did win the Best International Blog -> the lizardoid web widens mwhoahahaha.

If you want to be shocked check out this site.
http://www.conservativepunk.com/
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Old 10-27-2004, 01:39 AM   #3
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Diane L, I just read through the whole thing, and personally other than a lot of people not caring for the "one two three fourteen" thing (can't say I care for that either), I don't see that it's all that bad. It's not a U2 site, so you can't really expect everyone there to love them. I'm on a Church (band) site and while some people there love U2, there are also some that despise them, and the majority fall somewhere in middle. The only place where most people will love U2 is on a U2 site.

I do understand your surprise at finding conservative U2 fans though. Hell, I can't understand how anyone who is the least bit conservative can like The Church, but there are a few (honestly, I think there might be three worldwide -- I certainly hope there's only that many! ). The Church isn't overtly political in their music, yet I and most of the Church fans I know are shocked when we run across a conservative Church fan. I know people say that social/political idealology has nothing to do with musical taste, but a conservative Church fan is a bit like a vegan who loves bacon -- it's just plain wrong!
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lol this reminds me of a thing the Daily Show did where they interviewed a punk who wasa voting for bush. it was HILARIOUS.
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I know alot of people who don't like U2, so this is not a surprise. Hell, I'm the only U2 fan in my family!
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My own father hated U2 for the longest time, and then on a drive up to Sydney I put Achtung Baby in the player and he was shocked to learn that it was U2.
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To me it's strange that U2 would be associated with leftism. They always seemed like a religious good guy type of band to me. Bono's charity work does not seem leftist to me, but humanitarian. As Bono himself says, "I'm a non partisan guy."
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I think the assumption that U2 was a "leftist" Rock band came from their association in the 1980's and early 1990's with such movements as the anti-nuclear/disarmament movement, the anti-apartheid movement, the solidarity movement with Central American freedom struggles (El Salvador, Nicaragua, etc - remember "Bullet the Blue Sky"?), the Amnesty International tour, their involvement with Greenpeace with the Sellafield protests, etc.

In the 1990's, there have been more of a humanitarian side to U2's activism - the concert for Sarajevo, Bono's passionate appeal for the Mothers of the Disappeared during Popmart, the Free Tibet concert, NetAid, the Jubilee 2000 movement, etc.

It has only been since Bono helped to found DATA in 2002, that he has taken on a more "non-partisan" bent because he knew that was the BEST way to ensure funding for Global AIDS and anti-poverty programs.

So, U2 has a history of openly supporting organizations and "causes" that have been considered anti-establishment all their professional lives and that has not changed to this day (check out Edge's comments in the Vanity Fair article).

And, please do not confuse Bono's astute politicking to get money for Global AIDS and anti-poverty programs with any change in his basic political leanings - Bono is a very stubborn person (bless him for that) and doesn't change his points of view easily.

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lol this reminds me of a thing the Daily Show did where they interviewed a punk who wasa voting for bush. it was HILARIOUS.
Yeah! Cause it's just so wrong that's it's amusing!
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I'm definitely NOT leftist, but my political beliefs were in place before I became a U2 superfan so there's really no correlation between the two.
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The Edge encourages people to vote for Kerry in his recent Postcard from the Edge. I realize that doesn't make him leftist though.
Didn't the band support Clinton in the 1992 election during Zoo TV? I could be wrong about that but I think I remember something to that effect in Flanagans "At the End of the World".
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I'm definitely NOT leftist, but my political beliefs were in place before I became a U2 superfan so there's really no correlation between the two.
But that's what's so weird to me, how people can separate the two. For instance, I could never quite like the Ramones after I learned they were fans of Reagan (and I made sure I never bought anything of theirs). I wouldn't even be able to stand The Church (and trust me, I utterly adore The Church) if I knew that their social and political views were vastly different than mine, even though their music is not overtly political. I would just find it grating to give them financial support (and I give them a lot of financial support! ).
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But that's what's so weird to me, how people can separate the two. For instance, I could never quite like the Ramones after I learned they were fans of Reagan (and I made sure I never bought anything of theirs). I wouldn't even be able to stand The Church (and trust me, I utterly adore The Church) if I knew that their social and political views were vastly different than mine, even though their music is not overtly political. I would just find it grating to give them financial support (and I give them a lot of financial support! ).
1) There's nothing to seperate, the two never went together. I was young republican before I was into U2.

2) I have friends and relative who have opposing political views and I don't feel the need to be seperate from them. My mom is a liberal democrat to the extreme and I still lover her . In the end we all want the same things: peace, love, happiness, freedom, etc...it's just how we get there that's different.

3) U2 are Irish, not American, so while they have every right to have an opinion on American politics, it doesn't carry as much weight to me.
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I(for many of the same reasons as someone like Christopher Hitchens supports Bush)
I'm sorry, come again?

He's just endorsed Kerry this past week, and among other things said:

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Subjectively, Bush (and Blair) deserve to be re-elected because they called the enemy by its right name and were determined to confront it. Objectively, Bush deserves to be sacked for his flabbergasting failure to prepare for such an essential confrontation.
As for Bush's post-invasion plan, Hitchens referred to it as "near impeachable" incompetence.
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But that's what's so weird to me, how people can separate the two. For instance, I could never quite like the Ramones after I learned they were fans of Reagan (and I made sure I never bought anything of theirs).
You are creating a difficult, if not impossible standard to consistantly live by if you only like artists with matching political leanings.
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