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Old 12-10-2006, 02:26 AM   #31
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By slipping the word healthy in there your right because it is going to be subjective. But if to take an example where a woman offers her services for thousands of dollars a night then the exploitation line has to be open to question.

By saying that all prostitution is wrong it is taking a moralist stance no different than all abortion being wrong or all illegal drugs being wrong. The type of example I just gave is a minor anomoly to be sure but it does exist and I think invalidates the absolutist argument.
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Here's the thing:
I don't see prostitution existing in such a form that isn't violent and oppressive to women. One of the reasons it exists is because men, even with all their (or our, I should say) power still thirst for more power. By subjecting women to sexual slavery we find one more way to maintain the status quo. What sex do you think of when you hear or see the word prostitution? Male? I doubt it.
Of course there are instances of male prostitution and that is equally disturbing...still different somehow. I ought to consider why, though.
Still, I agree, taking an absolutist position is something one, generally, should think twice about. (Emphasis on "generally" otherwise I make an absolutist argument.)
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Of course some feminists argue that all sex is a violent transaction. They are not the majority and are often not well received.
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A Dominatrix who works out of her own home who is payed money to control a man who wants that experience, how is that violent and opressive to the woman?

Sex slavery is the forcing of an individual to perform services against their will and/or without financial gain. The act itself (sticking with straight intercourse and oral sex) is no more slavery than that act of picking cotton. There must be a distinction between sex slavery/survival sex and legal prostitution.
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Does the word "pimp" mean anything to you?
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Again, not the norm of prostitution, but still such a scenario only reinforces the notion that women are only worth a superficial experience and price.
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prostitution is parody, let us not forget that
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Yes, a thug enforcer who will get protection money out of women through intimidation and violence. Exactly the only option for street prostitutes when they don't have any legal protections. In countries where there is a regime of legal regulated prostitution pimping is still a crime, now if one wanted to be ideologically hardline then the pimp is offering the service of protection for money - but in the real world they are violent thugs and they harm people.
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Again, not the norm of prostitution, but still such a scenario only reinforces the notion that women are only worth a superficial experience and price.
Then what about strippers, porn stars, models and b-grade movie actresses? I don't mind if people oppose all those groups because they view them as victims of patriachy and submissive to the system. I do mind it if they want the government to step in and enforce their morality by arresting those involved.

In general prostitution attracts those with no other options. When it is illegal it is going to be controlled by criminals. Legal prostitution can at least minimise the harm done and give the legal protections that sex workers need.
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I don't think the government can do anything about it by making it illegal. So yes, I kinda agree.
There are two things I'd like to see happen: 1) the government tax the shit out of pimps, 2) the government develope better sex and family education, 3) citizens deconstruct their notions of sexuality, eroticism (which is diametrically opposite of porn), gender, and even the "self"
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Attempting to bring the thread back on topic. Curious -- do Christians in the game kill? And if so, are they killing out of self-defense (i.e., are they on the run from people out to kill them), or are they waging a war of aggression?

It raises a question that I honestly struggle with -- are Christians allowed to use force to defend themselves?
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It raises a question that I honestly struggle with -- are Christians allowed to use force to defend themselves?
Did Jesus?
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He took violent action against the moneychangers in the temple.
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but did he hurt anyone physically?
Jesus practiced non-violent civil disobedience
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I don't think the government can do anything about it by making it illegal. So yes, I kinda agree.
There are two things I'd like to see happen: 1) the government tax the shit out of pimps, 2) the government develope better sex and family education, 3) citizens deconstruct their notions of sexuality, eroticism (which is diametrically opposite of porn), gender, and even the "self"
I think that rather than tax pimps that pimping should be illegal, prostitution legal within a regulated framework of registered sex workers and bordellos.
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