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Old 10-09-2004, 06:42 AM   #1
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Will one of my fellow educators please explain to the board and the POTUS what the freakin Dread Scott case is? How I wish Kerry had nailed him on this!



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The Dread Scott case of 1857 declared the Missouri Compromise invalid. Missouri Compromise stated that Missouri would be a slave state if Maine were deemed a free state. This quelled nerves between the North and South and their different directions for the future of the country.

In this complicated, controversial case, Scott, a slave in Missouri, was left to a relative of his owner who lived in Illinois, and sued for his freedom, claiming Missouri citizenship. In the appeal to the Supreme Court, Northen justices argued that Scott should be freed under the Missouri Compromise because he had traveled north of 36/30 (the lat/long that determined free states from slave states). The notorious ruling that came from the pen of Chief Justice Roger B. Taney nullified the Missouri Compromise, and held that blacks---even free blacks--- could not be citixens and that slaves could not become free by traveling north of the dividing line.
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Yeah last night as Bush was talking about it I was thinking "That's not exactly what Ms Flowers taught me in history last year...." Maybe if we elect Kerry bush can go back to school.
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My oh my....what in the world did he bring that up for? I am still scratching my head.
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Will one of my fellow educators please explain to the board and the POTUS what the freakin Dread Scott case is? How I wish Kerry had nailed him on this!



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Perhaps Kerry's knowledge on this is equal to W's.
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My oh my....what in the world did he bring that up for? I am still scratching my head.
he is going after the african-american vote
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he is going after the african-american vote
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indeed. i thought the same thing. The Pledge case went to his Christian base and the Dred Scott case was to get African-Americans. He also was trying to prove he knew something about the Supreme Court, which he doesn't. Kerry seemed prepared to get a question like that and cited specific tests for new justices, which I liked.
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Do you have links to all, or some, of the transcripts for the debate? I've been looking but all I have found are the veep ones, and I don't have tv. Thanks anyone.

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edit: I mean, transcripts for the debates so far.

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I've been reading that the reference to Dred Scott in last night's debate was a message to anti-abortion advocates that Bush WILL use Roe v. Wade as a litmus test for Supreme Court appointees.
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Diane--Really? How so? I'd be most interested in hearing about this!

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It's also worth noting that very few commentators have talked about this either. Please tell me there is a journalist out there SOMEwhere who was going, "Uh...." Pretty please? With Bono on top?

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Sherry,

Dailykos.com has a diary on its site that discusses this correlation. The diarist says that if you Google the terms "Dred Scott" and "abortion," you get the links for anti-abortion websites that have linked the two.

Here is one of the explanations from such a site as reprinted by the dailykos.com diarist:

"The reasoning in Dred Scott and Roe v. Wade is nearly identical. In both cases the Court stripped all rights from a class of human beings and reduced them to nothing more than the property of others. Compare the arguments the Court used to justify slavery and abortion. Clearly, in the Court's eyes, unborn children are now the same "beings of an inferior order" that the justices considered Blacks to be over a century ago."

You can find the full diary at www.dailykos.com It is to the right of the home page, listed under Recent Diaries.

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Do you have links to all, or some, of the transcripts for the debate? I've been looking but all I have found are the veep ones, and I don't have tv. Thanks anyone.

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CNN has transcripts and vidoes (not sure how much they show since I haven't watched them yet) on their politics site: http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/

if those disappear of that front page for some reason, this site has transcripts:
http://www.debates.org/pages/debtrans.html
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