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Old 02-02-2006, 03:49 PM   #121
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Folks, in case you don't know, all_i_want is a Muslim from Turkey. Keep that in mind when you read his posts.
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It's one thing to say "Islam is based on irrational premises" and another thing to draw a picture of Mohammed with a bomb on his head. One is based on philosophical beliefs, and the other is solely to insult Muslims.
Given the less than respectful depictions referencing other religions we've seen over the years, can you really say the sole intent of the cartoon was to insult Muslims?
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Folks, in case you don't know, all_i_want is a Muslim from Turkey. Keep that in mind when you read his posts.
A bit patronising, to be honest.
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Folks, in case you don't know, all_i_want is a Muslim from Turkey. Keep that in mind when you read his posts.
Thanks, I didn't know that.

- but that only makes his/her (? ) opinions even more interesting in this thread!
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Folks, in case you don't know, all_i_want is a Muslim from Turkey. Keep that in mind when you read his posts.
yeah, well, i wouldnt really call myself a muslim cause i dont really do anything a muslim is supposed to do and do other things instead. you know, i have never been to a prayer, yet i have eaten pork and drank lots and lots of alcohol. i am probably the worst muslim there is, but i do live in this culture so i have an understanding of it. one thing i am proud of in islam, though, is its respect of the other books, the new and the old testaments. the book, in itself, does regard both jesus and moses very highly. koran, in essence, was sent as an update to the previous books, and it is not in denial of them.

i am not a religious person and i dont believe i am supposed to live in ways prescribed hundreds of years ago, whether it is the christian way or muslim way.

it might be puzzling, my heresy and everything. i would tell you a whole lot more about the disconnect between the religious and secular Turks, but i dont want to derail the thread.

but i do think a lot of you would have more favorable views of islam if you actually took the time to learn about it, like verte did, instead of basing your opinions on its 'reflection' (the middle east in 20th century)
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Hah, and who said martyrdom is an Islamic thing?
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A bit patronising, to be honest.
Sorry, didn't mean to be. Some posters are newer and he might be a resident of a UFO for all they know.
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it might be puzzling, my heresy and everything. i would tell you a whole lot more about the disconnect between the religious and secular Turks, but i dont want to derail the thread.

Perhaps you could start an "ask the...." thread.... Those are often very interesting and informative. You don't have to be the definitive expert, just have a differing perspective and a willingness to answer questions.
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Well now this cartoon in the Washington Post has pissed off American Generals:


and the link to read about it:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020102465.html
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Old 02-02-2006, 08:19 PM   #130
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In Iraq, Islamic leaders urged worshippers to stage demonstrations from Baghdad to the southern city of Basra following weekly prayer services Friday.
Afghanistan and Indonesia condemned the drawings, and
Iran summoned the Austrian ambassador, whose country holds the EU presidency


well,

all you people who have been cheerleading this humiliation

must be on the side of evil-doers

you are putting our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq in more danger
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You still haven't answered the question directly, what course of action do you advocate deep?
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Hah, and who said martyrdom is an Islamic thing?
Martyrdom is when a person is killed for their beliefs, the shahid that goes out to murder and take their own life in the process hardly deserves that title. I am just showing where I stand, just as I did during the orange revolution, just as I did during the cedar revolution.
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Well one British Muslim group has decided to take a stand, these clowns are the heirs of the Al-Muhajiroun organisation.
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Kill those who insult the Prophet Muhammad (saw)


The kuffar in their sustained crusade against Islam and Muslims have yet again displayed their hatred towards us this time by attacking the honour of our beloved Messenger Muhammad (saw). In September 2005 the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten published 10 cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad (saw) which were later republished by a Norwegian paper Magazinet. Until now both governments have refused to denounce the drawings and to condemn the publication of them.

Denmark has a history of blasphemy against Islam, only in August did radio presenter Kaj Wilhelmsen say that all fanatical Muslims should be exterminated and the rest should be kicked out of Europe. Last year the queen of Denmark aired her disapproval of Islam and for those ‘whom religion is their entire life’. Prior to this the Danish government issued the right to dismiss a Muslim woman from working in a supermarket for wearing the hijab. Furthermore Denmark is an ally of the war in Iraq with 500 troops stationed in the South and 10 from Norway showing their approval and participation of the war.

Both governments claim that one of their underlying principles is the freedom of speech and that everyone is free to speak their mind and to voice their opinions openly. They claim that the publication of these cartoons is a mere expression of ones opinions falling within the framework of the law. This is the same freedom of expression that quite readily prevents the propagation of Islam and support of the mujahideen using it as and when it suits them.

This should come as no surprise to the Muslims because this is the exact and true nature of the kuffar that Allah (swt) has informed us of in the Quran. The kuffar will never have respect for our deen, they will never honour it and will always seek to ridicule and disparage it. At every opportunity they will try to attack and belittle it whilst concealing the greater hatred they have for it in their hearts. This is also evident throughout the history of Islam where the kuffar carried out similar acts to try and defame Islam. Allah (swt) tells us that; verily, the Kaafireen [disbelievers] are ever unto you your open enemies. [4:101]

At the time of the Messenger Muhammad (saw) there were individuals like these who dishonoured and insulted him upon whom the Islamic judgement was executed. Such people were not tolerated in the past and throughout the history of Islam were dealt with according to the Shariah. Ka’ab ibn Ashraf was assassinated by Muhammad ibn Maslamah for harming the Messenger Muhammad (saw) by his words, Abu Raafi’ was killed by Abu Ateeq as the Messenger ordered in the most evil of ways for swearing at the prophet, Khalid bin Sufyaan was killed by Abdullah bin Anees who cut off his head and brought it to the prophet for harming the Messenger Muhammad (saw) by his insults, Al-Asmaa bintu Marwaan was killed by Umayr bin Adi’ al-Khatmi, a blind man, for writing poetry against the prophet and insulting him in it, Al-Aswad al-Ansi was killed by Fairuz al-Daylami and his family for insulting the Messenger Muhammad (saw) and claiming to be a prophet himself. This is the judgement of Islam upon those who violate, dishonour and insult the Messenger Muhammad (saw).

Shortly after these incidents the people began to realise that insulting the Messenger of Allah (saw) was not something to be taken lightly and that by doing so would mean that you would be killed for it, a concept that many have seem to forgotten today.

The insulting of the Messenger Muhammad (saw) is something that the Muslims cannot and will not tolerate and the punishment in Islam for the one who does so is death. This is the sunnah of the prophet and the verdict of Islam upon such people, one that any Muslim is able execute. The response of the Muslims all over the world shows us the inability to deal with such people, the kuffar are attacking our Messenger and are allowed to get away with it whilst the Muslims have no power to do anything about it. The leaders of the Muslim world have no care for the deen of Islam as they are busy cementing their seats content with their power and wealth. Where are the Muhammad ibn Maslamah’s of our ummah who will defend the honour of our beloved Messenger and rise the banner of Tawheed high?

But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and attack your religion with disapproval and criticism then fight (you) the leaders of disbelief - for surely their oaths are nothing to them - so that they may stop (evil actions). [9:12
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Nice chaps, just a tiny bit psychopathic, they can get on alright with Christians if they have to but if you be an atheist or polytheist watch out.

Is this reaction the fault of the cartoonists for provoking it?
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You still haven't answered the question directly, what course of action do you advocate deep?
Is it capitulation?
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You still haven't answered the question directly, what course of action do you advocate deep?


Islam prohibits ALL images of Mohammed



so,

I advocate not printing humiliating cartoons in newspapers

that were created solely for the purpose of agitating Muslims.
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