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Old 02-11-2006, 06:19 PM   #376
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Why do they hate us?



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"..critically rational individualist perspective. We are developing the social individualist meta-context for the future. From the very serious to the extremely frivolous... lets see what is on the mind of the Samizdata people."


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As far as I am aware time does not run backwards and effect cannot precede cause.
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A Muslim leader behind a mass rally in London yesterday gave a warning of "fire throughout the world" if the West continues to publish cartoons of Mohammed.

At the protest in Trafalgar Square, attended by 5,000 Muslims, there were no arrests and none of the inflammatory placards or costumes seen at last weekend's demonstrations.

However, a row erupted over comments by Dr Azam Tamimi, a senior figure in the Muslim Association of Britain, which staged the event. He told Sky News: "The publication of these cartoons will cause the world to tremble. Fire will be throughout the world if they don't stop."

Last night Louise Ellman, the Labour MP and vice-chairman of Labour Friends of Israel, said: "It is inciting confrontation when he should be calming the situation." A Muslim Labour MP at the protest distanced himself from Dr Tamimi's comments. Sadiq Khan, the MP for Tooting, said: "Speakers can get carried away, but they are just flowery words. I don't take them on board and others shouldn't."

Organisers of the rally said it was intended to show that moderate Muslims believed in peaceful protest. Coaches brought protesters from Bradford, Oldham, Luton, Leicester, Birmingham, Cardiff and Glasgow and imams had appealed for the avoidance of behaviour that would "shame Islam".

Thousands of official placards bore the slogans "United against Incitement", "United against Islamaphobia" and "Mohammed - Symbol of Freedom and Honour".

More than 700 police and stewards were on hand to stop the rally being hijacked.

Police, criticised last week for standing by while protesters displayed slogans such as "Massacre those who insult Islam", ordered demonstrators to remove Socialist Worker stickers saying "Blair must go".

The rally was endorsed by the Muslim Council of Britain and speakers included the Liberal Democrat MP Sarah Teather and Labour's Jeremy Corbyn. But while most speakers received noisy applause, there was an eerie quiet - and some booing - when George Galloway, the Respect MP, addressed the crowd.

Habibur Rahman, the president of the Islamic Forum Europe, told extremists: "When you burn the Union Jack what are you burning but the flag of your home?"
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It is actually a brilliant demonstration of two forces against free speech, on one side you have the censoring of Islamists so that the message can be one of "Respect", the other is police removing a political message.
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More western cultural imperialism
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Nearly two dozen black-veiled Muslim women stormed gift and stationery shops Friday in Kashmir, burning Valentine's Day cards and posters to protest a holiday they say imposes Western values on Muslim youth.

No one was hurt in the half-dozen or so incidents, and police cordoned off the area to prevent the women from marching through Srinagar's main shopping district to continue their ransacking.

The women were from the Kashmiri Islamic group Dukhtaran-e-Millat, or Daughters of the Community, Kashmir's only women's separatist group, whose members are also known for their fiercely conservative social views.

"We will not let anyone sell these cards or celebrate Valentine's Day," said Asiya Andrabi, the group's leader, as she held a burning poster in her hand. "These Western gimmicks are corrupting our kids and taking them away from their roots."

She said that the raids were carried out "not to harm anyone but to make them realize that this is against Islam's teachings."

The protesters dispersed after chanting religious slogans. Mohammad Sarwar, though, was furious as he looked over the goods tossed around his small stationery store.

"They barged in, grabbed cards and posters and burnt them outside. Most of the cards were not even Valentine cards. It is difficult to do business with such threats looming overhead," he said.

Valentine's Day has become increasingly popular in India over the past decade. But it has also become a cultural flash point, opposed each year in India by conservative Hindu and Muslim groups who see it as a reflection of growing permissiveness.
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This whole issue has got so out of hand. I'm glad i live in the Western world.

Some of these 'extremists' are so childish and intolerent but it's still quite a scary thought that there are some people out there who hate us just because we have the freedom to get drunk, have casual sex and get to say what we like. It's even more scary and ridiculous when they threaten death on us too
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That's so idiotic to destroy all of that Valentine's Day stuff. What a bunch of klutzes.
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That's so idiotic to destroy all of that Valentine's Day stuff. What a bunch of klutzes.
Klutzes?

You've alluded to serious anger in prior posts.

This can't stem from the Mohammed cartoon alone.

What is the source of this anger?
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Al-Masri's conviction, The Iraq War, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, Patriot Act, Invading Afghanistan, Jenin, Iraq sanctions, the second intafada, US troops in Saudi Arabia, Operation Desert Fox, foiling Bojinka, Operation Desert Storm, US troops in Lebanon, Supporting Shah Reza Pahlavi, poor handling of the Iran hostage crisis, Yom Kippur, the 6 day war, the Suez Crisis, overthrowing Mossadegh, Nasserism, percecuting Qutb, establishing Israel, dissolution of the Caliphate, the siege of Vienna, the Reconquista, expulsion of the Arabs from Sicily, the Crusades, the battle of Tours...

Pick a root cause, they are all good and valid.
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Israel News Agency To Post SEO Iran Holocaust Cartoons

By Israel News Agency Staff
February 13, 2006


JERUSALEM----In response to Iran's best-selling newspaper announcing a competition to find the best cartoons about the Holocaust, the Israel News Agency has begun to post the Holocaust cartoons.

"Iran is seeking any means to divert attention away from the fact that they are building nuclear weapons," said Joel Leyden, publisher of the Israel News Agency. "Iran states that they want to test the democratic limits of Western free speech by laughing at the Holocaust, and the INA is more than pleased to oblige in posting these cartoons. The only catch is that we are doing so with an educational, factual disclaimer inserted inside these Holocaust cartoons. It states: Six million Jews were gassed, shot and hung during the Holocaust. This cartoon does not promote 'free speech,' rather it illustrates Islamic racist hate and incitement to violence against all other religions."

The Israel News Agency, in posting the Holocaust cartoons, has launched an SEO (search engine optimization) marketing contest to prevent Iranian and Islamist terrorist groups' news websites from reaching top positions in Google. This is the first time that a SEO contest was created for a political and humanitarian cause. And the INA has secured Olympic gold in its quest to outrank any and all Islamist websites, as when one searches for the key words: "Iran Holocaust cartoons," the Israel News Agency has secured a Google first place ranking.

"When I heard that a newspaper in Iran was now holding a cartoon contest on the Holocaust, I knew that SEO would be the most potent tool in combating it," said Leyden. "What really puzzles me is that the Arab media trashes Judaism almost daily in their newspapers and yet we do not hear Jews chanting 'Death to Muslims'. But still there is no way that Iran will be allowed to spit on the graves of over 6 million Jews who perished in the Holocaust."

Iran made Holocaust denial government policy when Iran foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki said in December that remarks made by the Iranian president that the Nazi mass murder of Jews during World War II was a "myth" was the official Iranian government position on the issue. Ahmadinejad made the Holocaust remarks after stating in October that Israel should be "wiped off the map." "The Palestinians or Islamic nations cannot be forced to pay for the injustices the Europeans believe they committed against the Jews," the minister said, speaking at Tehran airport after a visit to Pakistan.

The Holocaust was the systematic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of approximately 6 million Jews by the Nazi regime and its collaborators. In 1933, the Jewish population of Europe stood at over 9 million. By 1945, close to 2 out of every 3 European Jews had been killed as part of the "Final Solution", the Nazi policy to murder the Jews of Europe.

Although Jews were the primary victims of Nazi racism, the Nazis also targeted other groups because of their perceived "racial inferiority": Roma (Gypsies), the handicapped, and some of the Slavic peoples (Poles, Russians, and others). Other groups were persecuted on political and behavioral grounds, among them Communists, Socialists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and homosexuals. At least 200,000 mentally or physically disabled people were murdered in the Euthanasia Program. Tens of thousands of Roma were killed. As Nazi tyranny spread across Europe, the Nazis persecuted and murdered millions of other people. More than 3 million Soviet prisoners of war were murdered or died of starvation, disease, neglect, or maltreatment. The Germans targeted the non-Jewish Polish intelligentsia for killing, and deported millions of Polish and Soviet citizens for forced labor in Germany or occupied Poland.

US State Department spokesman Sean McCormack reiterated US support for freedom of expression throughout the world, including in Iran. But he saw no comparison between the plans by Hamshahri and the move by a Danish paper to run the Mohammed cartoons. "I don't think that anybody would draw any equivalences between, quote-en quote, 'freedom of the press' in Iran and freedom of the press in Western Europe or the United States," he said.
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A political leader in Italy had a shirt made with all the Mohommod Cartoons. I can see him getting killed in the near future.

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I'm not really surprised that it's a far-right wing politician. Those guys are bad news. I don't like them.
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