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Old 01-14-2002, 04:47 PM   #16
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I know that this was more of a posthumous collaboration more than anything else, but what did you all think of "A.I"?

I liked it OK, just wish that Speilberg had retained some of the more sci-fi aspects of the film instead of turning it into a sappy ET wannabe.

My husband and I were the only ones out of our group of friends that actually liked A.I.. I actually can't wait for it to come out on DVD. I thought Haley Joel Osmont did an incredible job, his role was very complex. Jude Law was excellent. The movie overall was a great piece of eye candy with some astounding special effects and I think Spielberg tried very hard to keep Kubrick's moviestle integrity in tact. He did not butcher the story, just merely finished and polished up what Kubrick had started. The movie was epic.

I thought in no way was this movie an E.T. wannabe. I have no idea why people say that, perhaps they didn't see the film, or are just judging Spielberg on a movie he made 20 years ago. A.I. had a lot more depth to it than E.T. could've ever had, the characters were much more complex, and the story was very very dark and tragic yet it raised questions about what we define as 'real' and what happens when human arrogance bordering omnipotence takes hold and creates things that are more almost human than human.

Without spoiling the end for those who haven't seen A.I., I really liked it. We can say humans are arrogant and omnipotent, we can say people are so stupidly smart and in the end mixed with arrogance it's what's going to get us all killed as a human society - but I think the message overall indicates sheer pure human brilliance, that a lot of the times human genius is overlooked and chucked aside as mere arrogance (which isn't ruled out in the movie, the film is practically littered with it)

My only complaint was that the movie was too long, and it wasn't meant to be a popcorn flick which is what I think a lot of people expected. I don't think people had any idea how dark the movie would be - the whole human vs. nonorganics. I knew walking out of the theater after I saw it that it was going to get bad reviews from moviegoers because they didn't get it. The previews at least did a poor job I think, quickly summing up the premise as being robotic fluff. The thing was, that movie was kept secret for so long and when the previews hit theaters and television, people wrote it up as being another E.T.

I likened that movie to Blade Runner more than anything else. And for me, Blade Runner is sacred ground so that's no small feat. There hasn't been a movie anywhere near like it in film making opulence from sets to effects to acting, until A.I..

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Old 01-14-2002, 11:18 PM   #17
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Anthony, nice to see that someone had the nerve to say that. Not many people would, since any criticism of Kubrick's work is usually met with extremely arrogant responses.
I remember rougerum posted a thread on Kubrick and the latter's beliefs on aliens and God, yet many people opposed it.

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Old 01-14-2002, 11:23 PM   #18
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Adam's_mistress;

Its good to see someone praise those two AMAZING movies. I absolutely adored AI, and thought it was one of the best movies of the decade. I didn't think Speilberg was at all soppy with the material, while the actors were simply amazing. I am proud to say that the movie moved me to tears by the end, though that is more to do with the 'mother connection', as I miss her terribly. However, WHAT a movie, it deserved a far better reception than it got...

But if AI was amazing, then BLADERUNNER is simply a masterpiece. Harrison Ford is fantastic, but even more so is Ridley Scott's directing and Rutger Hauer's moving rendition of the android, Batty, with a BEAUTIFUL speech at the end. After a hoorifying chase of cat and mouse where Batty is hell-bent on revenge (after all, Ford's character HAS just killed his girlfriend), Batty saves him and delivers the best dying words ever....

'I have seen things you people wouldn't believe; attack ships on fire off the shores of Orion. I watched sea-beams glitter through the darkness at 'Ten Hours of Gate'. And all those moments will be lost in Time like tears in rain...'

'Tears in rain'. Aaahh, one of the few moments in movies that makes me melt. I can never recover emotionally for about half an hour after I see the movie, it puts me into a state, not to mention Vangelis' score which is simply heart-breakingly beautiful.

Ah, BLADERUNNER and AI, two of the best
sci-fi films ever.

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I beg to differ, Ant... on Eyes Wide Shut. The conclusion of the movie wasn't that excerpt you pointed out but the dialogue just before that when they were discussing how some dreams may be more real than we think etc. They were saying that most affairs seem unreal, like dreams that just drift in and out one's life then go away forever... but the fact is that some dreams seem so real that they are real. Like how Tom Cruise's character thought the whole orgy-cult thingy was responsible for a girl's murder when in fact it wasn't. foray

Ok, foray, I grant you that. That WAS the movie's stunning conclusion, but it was all so overblown it really stank of pretensiouness. It was a simple movie that said 'don't sleep around', that 'things aren't what they appear to be' and for that I could have seen any old movie. I'm sorry, it just didn't move me.

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I found it to be very uplifting and optimistic. Maybe his most optimistic one. He was grappling with this subject for a long time, as his wife revealed, and so perhaps this is his most personal movie.

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The Shining was an absolute travesty. The movie did nothing for the brilliant book it was based on. Stephen King was deeply disappointed by the movie. Although the cinematography was fantastic I felt the rest of the film was poorly put together.
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I remember rougerum posted a thread on Kubrick and the latter's beliefs on aliens and God, yet many people opposed it.
I remember that thread, but that was more about Kubrick's ideas than his style.
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Assorted blips on Kubrick films:

"Lolita" is very amusing to me, particularly in doing a film on pedophilia during the very prudish 1950s.

I love "Dr. Strangelove." A very entertaining satire on Cold War hysteria.

"2001: A Space Odyssey" is a fantastic film, in my opinion. I can understand why it would put a lot of people off, but it doesn't negate my personal enjoyment of the film. It rightly deserves classic status.

"A Clockwork Orange" is enjoyable as well to me. I have no further comment on it.

"Eyes Wide Shut," to me, is more of an example of performance art than film. Why? I see it as Kubrick's last laugh on audiences and the media. The hype expected a porn film, and the public and the media harped on it. The trailers for it used the most racy scenes in the film...all of them, actually. But it wasn't a film on sex, nor was it a porn film. And while the right-wing was whining about morality and the rest were going to see it to appease their love of porn, it was nothing of the sort. Once again, I can understand why it would put people off, but, in a way, I think it was the way Kubrick, a known misanthropist, wanted to go, having the last laugh on the industry he loathed and the audiences he hated. A very peculiar man Kubrick was...

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Kubrick, a known misanthropist, wanted to go, having the last laugh on the industry he loathed and the audiences he hated.
That is the most insane comment ever. A comment that believes every single tabloid report and anything that his silence for the media has produced. Why would Kubrick loathe and hate the two things that kept him making the films he wanted to make. Why is it that when someone who is famous and doesn't feel like talking to the media all the time is labeled a misanthropist? Kubrick was in contact with people all the time, the fact is though, he preferred a family life and the thing is, there are millions of people who prefer this same life, just the fact is, they are not famous. If they were famous, they would have the same reaction, overwhelmed by it all and wanting a simpler life. It is no secret bringing your personal and private life into the spotlight is a way to ask it to be destroyed. I see more of your personal feelings against this man than any real truth, so next time, know what you are talking before your mouth is opened, that is the first rule here! And I would also like to clue you into the definition of a filmmaker: someone determined to extend film beyond its boundaries. When looked at Kubrick films that the general audience finds "difficult", it seems, with that definition in mind, he may be the one of the only filmmakers out there.

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Old 01-16-2002, 10:36 PM   #25
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Also, I expect a reply along the lines from Melon that I am 1.) too much a Kubrick enthusiast to see any judgement on him or 2.) he will take shots at me that have nothing to do with this topic. First of all, I welcome criticism on Kubrick. But what I want are criticisms based on facts and that lead to an interesting insight, not just a media and tabloid line that has been said for the past 20 years.

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Old 01-17-2002, 12:45 AM   #26
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Amusing...

I like the fact that Kubrick exiled himself from America and hated people. Or maybe not. I find it to be a compliment regardless. Kubrick is my favorite director, FYI. I guess one man's admiration is another man's insult.

As for post #2, meh...

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2001. amazing.
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This may be a big generalization, and I hope not such a stupid one, but it seems to me that Kubrick appeals more to men than women. I actually did like "Eyes Wide Shut" the second time I happened to catch it on cable, though I am loath to like Nicole Kidman in anything. The score, however, grated on my nerves (maybe that was the point, I don't know). I really haven't liked any of his other films and also think he is overrated.

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