DaveC
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Upon further review (ie I watched the video again), I've concluded that he's coked out of his tree. You can tell he's clearly tweaked out.
This is so bizarre...
This is so bizarre...
Headache in a Suitcase said:the problem with video is that it doesn't show what happened before and/or after the video occured. we don't know what was said to set richards off. not that it's an excuse... there is no excuse. but we should be holding everyone responsible for their actions, not just the celebrity.
as far as him being a racist, on how the things wouldn't have come out if he wasn't a racist, etc. etc. i'm not sure i neccesarily believe that. we all have our inner demons, and different situations in our lifes bring out things that we would normally never think possible.
ntalwar said:
I can't see any member of U2 doing that at a show, no matter what is said.
ntalwar said:
I can't see any member of U2 doing that at a show, no matter what is said.
randhail said:
Could you see Michael Richards saying what he said prior to friday night? Just because we don't see people as having it in them to say such things, doesn't mean that they're incapable of saying such things.
Carmelu2fan said:I think he just regrets that his career is over due to him being a racist. He was not high nor drunk and even if he was that is no excuses for saying such hateful and ignorant things. Period.
Dreadsox said:Hvae you seen the apology on Letterman. I felt it sincere. I felt he was torturing himself over it.
Carmelu2fan said:I think he just regrets that his career is over due to him being a racist. He was not high nor drunk and even if he was that is no excuses for saying such hateful and ignorant things. Period.
jonnytakeawalk said:Why does the video only start when Richards begins his racist attacks?! Did they only start filming then or did they intentionally cut out the two hecklers comments?
maycocksean said:I don't know. . .
For some reason I just haven't been able to get as worked up with outrage over this incident as I should.
After all, I'm a black man who grew up in the southern United States. . . I've experienced my share of racial prejudice and hate. You'd think me of all people would be ready to crucify Richards.
And yet I'm not. . .
I'm not sure why but it could be because:
A). Having grown up around a lot of people who were racist but didn't think they were, who tried mightly to show that they were NOT prejudiced (usually by being friends with an "accessible" black guy like me sufficed), I guess I understand that not all racists are "created equal." A lot of racism is buried pretty deeply. . .the person himself may not even really he has it until something something sets him off and then suddenly it's not about a guy heckling him from the audience, it's about a BLACK guy heckling him from the audience. I think this may be what happened to Michael Richards.
B)I really do believe that the vast majority of people have some sort of racial prejudice. I know I have it (I'm not going to say against which racial groups but suffice it to say that after having lived overseas for close to 10 years I'm finding, to my horror, prejudiced thinking cropping up against some of the ethnic groups where I live) I don't believe that means racial prejudice should be "excused" but I think it's easy to get very self-righteous in condemning someone else who let's the prejudice slip into the open. How many people, honestly, when really angry or scared, slipped into attaching a racial adjective to the person we view as a threat.
The best way to combat racial prejudice, especially of this subtle, "buried" type, I believe, is to recognize it in ourselves, admit to it honestly, and refuse to allow those prejudices to go unchallenged and unchanged.
That's the battle I think Michael Richards is now having to face.
ntalwar said:
I can't see any member of U2 doing that at a show, no matter what is said.
Headache in a Suitcase said:b) do we really need to bring u2 into everything? jeebus. [/B]
maycocksean said:I don't know. . .
For some reason I just haven't been able to get as worked up with outrage over this incident as I should.
After all, I'm a black man who grew up in the southern United States. . . I've experienced my share of racial prejudice and hate. You'd think me of all people would be ready to crucify Richards.
And yet I'm not. . .
I'm not sure why but it could be because:
A). Having grown up around a lot of people who were racist but didn't think they were, who tried mightly to show that they were NOT prejudiced (usually by being friends with an "accessible" black guy like me sufficed), I guess I understand that not all racists are "created equal." A lot of racism is buried pretty deeply. . .the person himself may not even really he has it until something something sets him off and then suddenly it's not about a guy heckling him from the audience, it's about a BLACK guy heckling him from the audience. I think this may be what happened to Michael Richards.
B)I really do believe that the vast majority of people have some sort of racial prejudice. I know I have it (I'm not going to say against which racial groups but suffice it to say that after having lived overseas for close to 10 years I'm finding, to my horror, prejudiced thinking cropping up against some of the ethnic groups where I live) I don't believe that means racial prejudice should be "excused" but I think it's easy to get very self-righteous in condemning someone else who let's the prejudice slip into the open. How many people, honestly, when really angry or scared, slipped into attaching a racial adjective to the person we view as a threat.
The best way to combat racial prejudice, especially of this subtle, "buried" type, I believe, is to recognize it in ourselves, admit to it honestly, and refuse to allow those prejudices to go unchallenged and unchanged.
That's the battle I think Michael Richards is now having to face.
MrsSpringsteen said:Rubenstein says the calls were received "positively." Sharpton, however, stated publicly that he did not buy Richards' apology on Letterman.
Headache in a Suitcase said:
a) what randhail said... you don't know what's hidden deep inside a person until it comes out. i could never see michael richards doing this up until he actually did it.
All this reminds me a bit of the Implicit Association Test battery which deep posted some links to awhile back. IAT is a generic methodology used to test "subconscious" associations with all kinds of categories--people, places, things--but what it's most famous for is its use in measuring associations with various racial groups. You have to work rapidly through a process of sorting/matching randomly mixed photos of (for example) white and black faces with conceptual words and symbols carrying "good" or "bad" connotations. According to the thinking behind it, the fewer subconscious negative associations you have with (e.g.) black people, the faster you should be able to match their faces with and/or disentangle them from "good"/"bad" associations. The test is interesting because many people's results are quite different from what they consciously believe in and think.Originally posted by maycocksean
Do you think lack of social experience with those groups might have something to do with it? I wonder about this because one of the few suggestions the IAT test designers offer for people disturbed by their results is simply to make a concerted effort to be around and get to know more people of whatever relevant category. Not just one or two "accessible" individuals--more of an immersion strategy. That makes sense to me, because one ethnic group I can think of which I *suspect* I'd test as having significant negative associations with (no IAT for it) is one that I've simply had relatively little personal experience with--plus much of what I hear about them is negative, although I don't consciously believe any of it. (And I'm basing that suspicion on the fact that on the relatively few occasions where I've been around large numbers of, and/or seemingly "stereotypical" members of, said group, I find myself being more aware of the ethnic difference between them and me than I would be with people of other groups, and in turn vaguely uncomfortable with, and anxious about, that awareness. In other words, not just the usual mere intellectual recognition of Who-All Is Here...there's a sort of emotional dimension to it as well. To me, that's a red flag right there.)I know I have it (I'm not going to say against which racial groups but suffice it to say that after having lived overseas for close to 10 years I'm finding, to my horror, prejudiced thinking cropping up against some of the ethnic groups where I live)
That must be a pretty discomfiting feeling--I can sort of, very vaguely, relate to it but not much. Knowing that someone is trying unnaturally hard to like you for any other reason than that they just do like you--not a good feeling.Having grown up around a lot of people who were racist but didn't think they were, who tried mightly to show that they were NOT prejudiced (usually by being friends with an "accessible" black guy like me sufficed)
If this is true, then it kind of tends to confirm the perception that *part* of Richards' problem is that he doesn't have the proper knack, sensibility, presence--whatever you want to call it--to pull off something as precarious as racial humor to begin with, above and beyond whatever underlying racist impulses (and apparently, aggression-control problems) he might have as well. Granted, some kinds of jokes are never funny, but a skilled comedian with a lot of psychosocial savvy can draw upon the tensions and anxieties we all have about issues of race in a way that's thought-provoking and poignant, rather than offensive or just in general evoking "Uh...and your point here was what exactly?"-type reactions.MrsSpringsteen said:Richards' publicist, Howard Rubenstein, confirmed to TMZ that Richards did make derogatory comments about Jews, but says it was part of his act. Rubenstein says Richards told him, "I'm not anti-Semitic. I was playing a role and poking fun at the rednecks."