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Old 10-06-2004, 06:07 PM   #16
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...and once Kerry had done these things, he voted for Bush's plan to handle Saddam.
not exactly true


I vote to give my local Police Department the right to use deadly force.

If they use it at the wrong time, at the wrong place, at the wrong incident they should be held accountable.
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Old 10-06-2004, 06:11 PM   #17
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not exactly true


I vote to give my local Police Department the right to use deadly force.

If they use it at the wrong time, at the wrong place, at the wrong incident they should be held accountable.
Thats right, depending on how poll numbers are and where the state of the campaign is, or who Kerry is talking to, you could get an entirely different answer on this question.

The Congressional vote in 2002 was a vote to authorize military action just as the vote in 1991 was a vote for authorizing the first Gulf War.

If it was the wrong time, wrong place, wrong whatever, why didn't KERRY stand up and say that on March 19, 2003????!!!
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The Congressional vote in 2002 was a vote to authorize military action just as the vote in 1991 was a vote for authorizing the first Gulf War.
that is how you see it.

Many people believe it was a tool only to be used judiciously.

And it was used the way the NYPD shot that guy 41 times for pulling out his ID.
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Old 10-06-2004, 07:39 PM   #19
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that is how you see it.

Many people believe it was a tool only to be used judiciously.

And it was used the way the NYPD shot that guy 41 times for pulling out his ID.
If you go back to 2002 and the vote, you will realize that everyone there knew this was a vote either for the use of force against Iraq or not for the use of force against Iraq. Some Senators and Congressman did not want to use force against Iraq and they voted against it. Others like John Kerry believed force needed to be used against Iraq.

If this was just about making sure the President had "authority" as commander in chief, everyone one in Congress would have voted for it.

If John Kerry felt the President and not judiciously used the support he gave him why in the hell did he not come out and say that on MARCH 19, 2003! Why did John Kerry not say that it was the WRONG WAR, WRONG TIME BS on MARCH 19, 2003 if he in fact felt that?
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If this was just about making sure the President had "authority" as commander in chief, everyone one in Congress would have voted for it.
some realized the admin could not be trusted with the authority.
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some realized the admin could not be trusted with the authority.
The President is the Commander In Chief, if he is unfit to fullfill that role, then it would have been their duty to come forward with evidence showing that as well as presenting articles of impeachment so that he could be removed and that someone who could perform the normal duties of the office be put in place.

Bottom line, this was a vote to either go to war with Saddam or not. That is the way everyone looked at in 2002, whether one was on the left or the right. Many people thought the war could start prior to Christmas that year.
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that is how you see it.

Many people believe it was a tool only to be used judiciously.

And it was used the way the NYPD shot that guy 41 times for pulling out his ID.
So, we have the "I voted for you, but I did so with some conditions in mind"??

That's not how it works. Kerry is playing a dangerous game. He votes for the law as written. Not some subsequent version in his mind.

If you accept that form of leadership, our liberty is in great danger.
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Old 10-07-2004, 08:07 AM   #23
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according to some..we need to have the best 'bluff'.
i don't agree w that methodology in todys world.

to put it simple saddam tried to play chicken w gw and he lost and millions have been liberated by it.
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