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Old 07-29-2004, 11:12 AM   #1
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Kerry's fellow ex vets have their own stories to tell

As not to derail or bash in the wrong thread, I must start yet another one. Here is a story about some of the men who served with Kerry in Viet Nam who tell a different story about him:

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories...586&ran=240501
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Old 07-29-2004, 11:23 AM   #2
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Nothing new in this article, at least, with the discussion in mind that was on Interference a few months ago. Some say they don't like Kerry, some say they do.


You can't please everyone.

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Old 07-29-2004, 11:25 AM   #3
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I especially like the last line:

“If you have any questions about what John Kerry is made of,” Edwards challenged, “just spend three minutes with the men who served with him 30 years ago ...” Hoffmann snorted.

“I’ll give you three minutes anytime,” he muttered.

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You're quite right Popmartjin. Nobody can please everyone all the time. Some vets like Kerry, some don't. That's par for the course. For goodness' sakes the guy is a political candidate. There are always going to be people who don't like a candidate no matter who it is. I have no trouble with this. In fact, what bothers me about politics is the "my opponent is a crud" mentality of so many in both campaigns. After all, some of my liberal buddies have really given me a pain in the ass, because they have this mentality. Two of these almost got into a freaking lawsuit! It was ridiculous!
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How many of these swift boat vaterans actually served with Kerry?

And John O'Neill (who didn't serve with Kerry) has been attacking him since the Nixon administration.
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How many of these swift boat vaterans actually served with Kerry?
I know several of them were in the same picture with him, the one he had been using in his ads. Some of them complained about the picture being used, saying it implied approval and support for Kerry, which they did not give. He has since stopped using it.
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Yes, that picture is of the other swift boat commanders in Kerry's division.



What do veterans who served with Kerry on his swift boat think about him?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...-vietnam_x.htm
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I guess the Republicans who pumped all that money into "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" are really happy with this book. I wonder if they asked Kerry's permission to use to photograph on the cover though (if he's on it).
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Wow, looks like most of them see him as unfit
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The next question then would be, how is it possible for a person who's unfit to lead to get a commanding position, and a bronze and silver star?

I suspect this has got more to do with it than anything:

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The men admit that they have been sore at Kerry for more than 30 years. Kerry came home from Vietnam with a chestful of medals – including three Purple Hearts – and joined the anti-war movement. In his 1971 testimony before a Senate panel , Kerry talked of American troops who had raped, pillaged, murdered and tortured locals with the knowledge, even blessing, of their commanders.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth say they never witnessed such atrocities.

“He betrayed us,” said member Bill Collins, a Swiftee who serves as chairman of the board of supervisors of Sussex County. “Labeled us all baby-killers.”
They might have a score to settle.
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Most? Try half. And, as a wise man once said, those who are not against us are for us.

I think what's most accurate about whether or not Kerry was fit for command are his fitness reports from Vietnam written by his commanding officers. You can look at them here.

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October 19, 1967, evaluation from Captain Allen W. Slifer:
A top notch officer in every measurable trait. Intelligent, mature, and rich in educational background and experience, ENS Kerry is one of the finest young officers I have ever met and without question one of the most promising.

September 3, 1968, evaluation from Captain E.W. Harper, Jr.:
LTJG KERRY is an intelligent and competent young naval officer who has performed his duties in an excellent to outstanding manner.

December 18, 1969, evaluation from LCDR George M. Elliott:
In a combat environment often requiring independent, decisive action LTJG Kerry was unsurpassed. He constantly reviewed tactics and lessons learned in river operations and applied his experience at every opportunity. On one occasion while in tactical command of a three boat operation his units were taken under fire from ambush. LTJG Kerry rapidly assessed the situation and ordered his units to turn directly into the ambush. This decision resulted in routing the attackers with several enemy KIA.
LTJG Kerry emerges as the acknowledged leader in his peer group. His bearing and appearance are above reproach. He has of his own volition learned the Vietnamese language and is instrumental in the successful Vietnamese training program.
During the period of this report LTJG Kerry has been awarded the Silver Star medal, the Bronze Star medal, the Purple Heart medal (2nd and 3rd awards).

Evaluation co-signed by Joseph Streuli and George M. Elliott on January 28, 1969, and March 17, 1969, respectively:
... exhibited all of the traits of an officer in a combat environment. He frequently exhibited a high sense of imagination and judgment in planning operations against the enemy in the Mekong Delta.

March 2, 1970 evaluation from Admiral Walter F. Schlech:
... one of the finest young officers with whom I have served in a long naval career.
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Labeled us all baby-killers.”


They can rest assured, he's now a 'baby killer' too' (with his support for the a-word)
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Yes, abortion humor.

Thanks for the intelligent debate!
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Hmmm, decisions decisions...

Whose opinion should we value then? A few years worth of commanding officers incl. awarded medals, or a republican funded group who seem to be having an axe to grind with Kerry due to his post-war behaviour?

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