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Old 07-29-2004, 03:19 AM   #46
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Kerry can see in shades of gray and is able to see more sides of the issue as a result. Like being able to admit that he doesn't believe gay marriage is right, but also being able to concede that it is not the government's place to deny gays the right to marry. Like being able to fight in a war but also seeing major problems with it and speaking out against those problems.
I see this as riding the fence. I am not sure where you got your info, but I have seen Kerry repeatedly say he does not support gay marriage. He does not oppose civil unions and the legal rights that can be granted through said union. I also see his positions on the war as being self-serving. He has not been supportive of his fellow soldier, and I have personally felt its impact. I see what you have typed above as waffling.

Not here to bash him, as I have said I believe that on two issues he is stronger than Bush. I just think your examples are things that push me away from him.
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I see this as riding the fence. I am not sure where you got your info, but I have seen Kerry repeatedly say he does not support gay marriage. He does not oppose civil unions and the legal rights that can be granted through said union. I also see his positions on the war as being self-serving. He has not been supportive of his fellow soldier, and I have personally felt its impact. I see what you have typed above as waffling.

Not here to bash him, as I have said I believe that on two issues he is stronger than Bush. I just think your examples are things that push me away from him.
Um, didn't I say in my post that he doesn't support gay marriage? Yes, yes I did.

Now granted, I do take issue with him on this, as I do support gay marriage, but why I brought this issue up is that even though he thinks it's wrong, he has stated that he doesn't believe it is the government's place to decide whether gay marriage, or any marriage, is legal or not, as marriage is of the church. While I disagree with his personal belief, I agree with his belief regarding the government's place in this matter. He is able to make that distinction, whereas Bush cannot seperate his beliefs from the role of government, which is supposed to be for the people, not "for all the people like me."
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I have to applaud Diemen and BostonAnne's posts. . Well said, guys. .

BluberryPoptart...believe me, I know it will definitely take time to get things regarding this situation with Iraq and all that to calm down. As the others stated, I just think Kerry could get some peaceful means of solving things over there going, do what he can during his time in office, and then future administrations can hopefully take the ball and run with it and continue on with restoring peace to that part of the world.

I'm very clear that things won't become perfect overnight if Kerry becomes president. I just really think that if Bush were to stay in power, things over there would only get worse instead of better, and I want to give someone else a chance to make things better now.

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I see this as riding the fence. I am not sure where you got your info, but I have seen Kerry repeatedly say he does not support gay marriage. He does not oppose civil unions and the legal rights that can be granted through said union. I also see his positions on the war as being self-serving. He has not been supportive of his fellow soldier, and I have personally felt its impact. I see what you have typed above as waffling.

Not here to bash him, as I have said I believe that on two issues he is stronger than Bush. I just think your examples are things that push me away from him.
I don't see his position as waffling at all. I think seeing shades of gray instead of black and white is showing tolerance and compassion for the other side of the issue. When being open minded, it is possible to change your position on a human rights issue. I believe that he is currently stating that he isn't going to push through that type of legislation and if that type of legislation comes across his desk - he isn't going to dismiss everyone's rights for his own belief system.

Please elaborate how he hasn't been supportive of his fellow soldier and how you've felt the impact personally. Perhaps in the Bush thread.
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This is what I was afraid of, that he'd get votes just because 'he's not Bush' and that is not good enough for me. He could end up worse.
Plenty of people gave real responses to what they like about kerry, as well as ways he will improve things bush has ignored or ruined, so you can't say that people here are only giving reasons of support as "he's not bush."

And no one's reasons have to be good enough for you why people vote for Kerry. People can vote any way they please- ideally everyone should be informed of both sides of issues before making a decision, but no matter why people vote they way they do, at least they're getting out there and voicing their opinion where it counts.
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WHERE does this 'funding' come from??! The pockets of hard working Americans paying taxes, millions of whom believe abortion is murder. We do not want our money used to pay for something so very wrong and immoral. That makes me 'sick.' Taking our money and using it to fund something we do not approve of is irresponsible leadership fueled by someone else's belief system!

Something so controversial should NOT be funded by US tax dollars. We owe those foreign clinics nothing, we are doing it to be nice. Why shouldn't the gift of our money be held to certain standards and conditions? I wouldn't want it any other way.



On another subject, I'm sorry, but reading these responses, it appears some of you are in a dream world this 'wonderful' man is going to stop the war and make everything okay. Words and promises he never said are being attributed to him. I am scared beyond words if this mentality is going to decide the election This is what I was afraid of, that he'd get votes just because 'he's not Bush' and that is not good enough for me. He could end up worse.
Well I'm glad to see you broke your own rules in this thread..."only supporters"? That's great.

Like someone pointed out before you aren't aware of the full exent of these programs. They do a lot more than provide abortion.

Just like you haven't read most of the posts in here, I don't think anyone has said anything about stopping a war, and the whole 'not Bush' thing? Why are we even post our reasons for voting for Kerry if you aren't going to read them? Congrats on now derailing both "supporter" threads.
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No, I HAVE read all the posts here. I only commented on the "not Bush" ones because those are the ones I'm concerned with. I have no comment on the others, so I didn't post one, but that doesn't mean I didn't read them. I do not feel I broke my own rules, because the 'not Bush' thing was one of the points of this thread.
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I don't see his position as waffling at all. I think seeing shades of gray instead of black and white is showing tolerance and compassion for the other side of the issue. When being open minded, it is possible to change your position on a human rights issue. I believe that he is currently stating that he isn't going to push through that type of legislation and if that type of legislation comes across his desk - he isn't going to dismiss everyone's rights for his own belief system.

Please elaborate how he hasn't been supportive of his fellow soldier and how you've felt the impact personally. Perhaps in the Bush thread.
That is your opinion, and I am not going to bash him in this thread. I read it as being unable to make a tough choice. ANd I have mentioned in here how he and his office responded to many of the soldiers I served with's concerns.

I have made positive comments about him in this thread. I will stick with those. My only point was I see it is as not making a choice so as not to offend his core supporters.
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I have made positive comments about him in this thread. I will stick with those. My only point was I see it is as not making a choice so as not to offend his core supporters.
Dreadsox,

I'm having a hard time understanding how this was waffling or just not trying to offend his core supporters. Are you saying that if you don't believe in gay marriage, then to prove it you should try and constitutionally ban it? Do you not see the conflict between church and state on this? Kerry has stated he doesn't support gay marriage, but that is a religious belief, and I hope we can agree that religion should not be the prime force behind Constitutional amendments. The minute we erase the line between church and state, we basically spit on the Constitution and every thing it stands for, and large sections of America's people (and not just homosexuals) stand to lose their rights. Amendments have always been added to include people and extend the rights to everyone, not to exclude people from equal rights and protection.

It's not waffling, it's rightfully recognizing where government shouldn't go.
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Kerry has stated he doesn't support gay marriage, but that is a religious belief
Which Kerry is speaking? The secular politician or the religious?
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Please.

Apparently no one understands why separation of church and state is a good thing?
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Apparently no one understands that someone can hold a belief that doesn't totally jibe with their religion. Or that they can have a nuanced opinion about things, rather than just putting them in "yes" or "no," "good" or "bad" columns.
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Thank you, ThatGuy.

Goes back to the black and white thing I was talking about earlier.
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Hear what you want to hear, believe what you want to believe.

The twisted way followers overlook Kerrys opposition to gay marriage is amusing.
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I don't have to agree wholeheartedly with everything Kerry says. If he supports civil unions, then that's all I can reasonably ask given the current political climate.
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