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Old 05-27-2008, 10:25 PM   #76
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Just saw it on youtube...a little over the top but everything he said was true. Hillary has been absolutely despicable this campaign. No question about it.
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Just saw it on youtube...a little over the top
but everything he said was true.
thanks

I guess that settles it

we may just as well close this thread, now.
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I just want to take a moment to point out that many of the "left-leaning" folks here in FYM have managed to make a nuanced and thoughtful criticism of "one of our own." What I'd like to see is a similar kind of thoughtful criticism by our conservative friends here on the forum of THEIR own.
I think a lot of liberals in this forum still have a lot of work to do. I have yet to see BonoVox, Irvine, or Jeannieco (among others) say anything negative about Barack Obama. Not one criticism. Not one substantive disagreement they have with him.
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Pot. Kettle. Black.

But I agree the fawning is boring.
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^^I don't like Obama's stance on nuclear power. I have a huge issue with the toxic waste aside from that I honestly find it as an answer to many prayers I have found a candidate with so much I relate to. I hope you find the same in whomever you vote for.

If I missed it I apologize, but please tell us what you don't like about McCain...

Fundamentally I agree with Sen. Obama on the big issues especially his stance on the war. I connected right away and applauded him for that because I was out there much like he was speaking up and taking big time HEAT from my Republican friends and family for saying it was a mistake long before the first bomb was dropped. I was labeled as unpatriotic for sticking up for the Dixie Chicks when it was an unpopular thing to do when I was living in the middle of the deep south. I was at a BBQ one time down in Jacksonville Florida and was asked my opinion about the war before we invaded and I was the only person there who opposed it. I said it was a mistake for various reasons such as the aftermath of tribal kaos, but mostly because one of my brothers through his line of work , knows a former weapons inspector who said the Bush Admin was totally fabricating this whole WMD story. Everybody scoffed at me. With that said my point is, he inspires me. Ya, there I said it. HE INSPIRES ME. I don't think I need to apologize for that.
What a sad state of affairs when a person is made to feel bad about that.
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I think a lot of liberals in this forum still have a lot of work to do. I have yet to see BonoVox, Irvine, or Jeannieco (among others) say anything negative about Barack Obama. Not one criticism. Not one substantive disagreement they have with him.


but i have said many positive things about McCain.

can you say the same about Obama? or Hillary?

here's a criticism of Obama: i wish he had voted against that silly, pandering Farm Bill (and, to his credit, McCain voted against it).
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If I missed it I apologize, but please tell us what you don't like about McCain....
I don't like that he voted against the tax cuts early on. I know he did so because he also wanted a decrease in spending, and I understand that, but it certainly makes him look bad in the eyes of conservatives.

I don't like that he's bought into the whole global warming premise.

McCain-Feingold, which seems to be coming back to bite him in the rear.

McCain-Kennedy, and not being tough enough on illegal aliens.

I disagree with him on torture.

The candidate I agreed the most with was probably Giuliani, who I initially supported. Though I do agree with most in this forum, in that McCain was the most electable, if not only electable of the GOP bunch this year.
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I don't like that he voted against the tax cuts early on. I know he did so because he also wanted a decrease in spending, and I understand that, but it certainly makes him look bad in the eyes of conservatives.

I don't like that he's bought into the whole global warming premise.

McCain-Feingold, which seems to be coming back to bite him in the rear.

McCain-Kennedy, and not being tough enough on illegal aliens.

I disagree with him on torture.

The candidate I agreed the most with was probably Giuliani, who I initially supported. Though I do agree with most in this forum, in that McCain was the most electable, if not only electable of the GOP bunch this year.

Interesting. Thank you.
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I think a lot of liberals in this forum still have a lot of work to do. I have yet to see BonoVox, Irvine, or Jeannieco (among others) say anything negative about Barack Obama. Not one criticism. Not one substantive disagreement they have with him.
Negative doesn't = criticism. Something you haven't figured out.

My criticism has been the same for all canidates, it just turns out my views are more in line with Obama.
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I think a lot of liberals in this forum still have a lot of work to do. I have yet to see BonoVox, Irvine, or Jeannieco (among others) say anything negative about Barack Obama. Not one criticism. Not one substantive disagreement they have with him.
I don't think it says all that much when people criticize the candidate they support. I don't think it really shows a certain objectivity. Holding all candidates to the same standard shows at least objectivity and consistency. It says, "I may agree with 100% with Obama and not criticize him but I won't hold him to a different standard than others" That's fair, right?

For example, the Obamians who cite the "rules" over and over again as to why Florida and Michigan should not count and turn around and bemoan the same "rules" that allow superdelegates to vote any which way they please.

It's just an inconsistency. Some might say hypocritical.
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I think a lot of liberals in this forum still have a lot of work to do. I have yet to see BonoVox, Irvine, or Jeannieco (among others) say anything negative about Barack Obama. Not one criticism. Not one substantive disagreement they have with him.

Seriously? "Nuance" is Irvine's middle name!
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And irony is deeps weapon of choice, it still doesn't prevent him being mischaracterised.

Why can't everybody just be jaded and spiteful, it makes it so much easier.
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