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Old 05-25-2008, 08:21 PM   #31
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I love Keith Olbermann and believe he can do no wrong.

Seriously, the man is highly intelligent and suffers no fools. He's not a left-wing hack...if a liberal was doing something stupid he'd call them out on it too. I'm concerned that people here whose opinions I respect think he's too loud or obnoxious or whatever...I think the man is a genius, the nearest thing we have to an Edward R. Murrow and his thoughtful commentaries are Must-See TV, IMHO.
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Far smarter, but still just an O'Reilly mirror, from what I've seen of these clips (we don't have MSNBC here in Australia, do have Fox though). His transcripts read okay, but then with the footage, he just looks and sounds stupid. WHY SO MUCH SHOUTING ON US NEWS!
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I just want to take a moment to point out that many of the "left-leaning" folks here in FYM have managed to make a nuanced and thoughtful criticism of "one of our own." What I'd like to see is a similar kind of thoughtful criticism by our conservative friends here on the forum of THEIR own.
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I'm concerned that people here whose opinions I respect think he's too loud or obnoxious or whatever...I think the man is a genius, the nearest thing we have to an Edward R. Murrow
Why is it your concern who likes or dislikes his speaking style? What I basically got out of the clip (and I'm an Obama supporter who's never watched Olbermann before) was 'here's some blowhard yelling for 10 minutes straight in the tone of an authoritarian-windbag dad who just caught his daughter in bed with her boyfriend'. Edward R. Murrow? No way. Check out this famous CBS reel from 1954 in which Murrow responds to Senator Joseph McCarthy's charges against him. No histrionics, no shouting, no jerky agitated body language, no snarling the word 'Senator' as if it were a racial epithet...just concise, stick-to-the-facts rebuttal of McCarthy's charges, delivered with calm, dignified conviction. That's not a matter of 'genius,' it's just plain old journalistic professionalism and integrity. (And this despite the fact that McCarthy was openly seeking to get Murrow himself blacklisted at the time...and afterwards Murrow even invited McCarthy onto the show to do a counter-rebuttal--which he did, incompetently). If you enjoy Olbermann's style, fine, that's your right, but obviously quite a few of us found this segment a complete turnoff, regardless of our opinions on the topic of his 'commentary.' I think it's a shame the Obama campaign thought this screed was a good thing to send a transcript of to all the reporters on their contact list.
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I just want to take a moment to point out that many of the "left-leaning" folks here in FYM have managed to make a nuanced and thoughtful criticism of "one of our own." What I'd like to see is a similar kind of thoughtful criticism by our conservative friends here on the forum of THEIR own.
This is my sixth year here. Most of the conservatives who would criticize their own, have left, do to the inability of some to be able to accept any conservative into this community.

Or the inability to have a dialogue without labeling people homophobic, mysogonistic, racist, ect.

Flame on.
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What I'd like to see is a similar kind of thoughtful criticism by our conservative friends here on the forum of THEIR own.
First of all, why?

Second, is that even necessary? I mean, we conservatives are stuck with McCain as the nominee. I could spend all day writing about what I don't like about him.
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I love Keith Olbermann and believe he can do no wrong.

Seriously, the man is highly intelligent and suffers no fools. He's not a left-wing hack...if a liberal was doing something stupid he'd call them out on it too. I'm concerned that people here whose opinions I respect think he's too loud or obnoxious or whatever...I think the man is a genius, the nearest thing we have to an Edward R. Murrow and his thoughtful commentaries are Must-See TV, IMHO.

funny, republicans say the same thing about bill o'reilly.

this entire thing is silly... i'm the last person to defend hill hill on anything. i despise the woman. but logical people can see her comments, see the explanation and go "oh, okay... yea, i guess that makes sense. still pretty stupid to say, but eh, whatever... no need to have a hissy fit over it." and move on.

she didn't say that obama could get assasinated, and to jump to that conclusion is a rather large stretch.

i will now bath myself for actually defending this woman.
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This is my sixth year here. Most of the conservatives who would criticize their own, have left, do to the inability of some to be able to accept any conservative into this community.

Or the inability to have a dialogue without labeling people homophobic, mysogonistic, racist, ect.

Flame on.



this is my 4th year here. with the exception of a few, conservative posters are simply out-argued here. some of it might have to do with numbers, much of it has to do with the fact that many (not all) conservative posters in here aren't as skilled at making arguments as their left wing counter parts. there are some in here who sometimes fall on the left, and often on the right, and are still in here because of the quality of their arguments.

in a forum with discussion and debate, where ideas are regularly challenged, it does strike me as unfortunate that some conservatives over the years can't stand by their arguments. and given how reactionary this country has been from 2001-2006, perhaps the fact that FYM *isn't* a right-wing echo chamber like the news and the blogosphere was for the first 2/3rds of the Bush presidency simply caused some to feel uncomfortable. some liberal posters are out of line, but most are not. it has little to do with the accepting of conservative arguments and much to do with the non-acceptance of poorly constructed arguments.

i think everyone who's been around here long enough can think of two conservative posters in particular who were strong, valued members of this community -- they seem to have left the website in general, and not so much due to FYM. and the reason they were so valued was because their arguments were thought provoking. i am sorry they have moved on, but i won't apologize for a moment when a thoughtless conservative argument is shot down in here, and if someone wants to take their bat and ball and run home, that's their right, but it's not my problem or fault.
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Why is it your concern who likes or dislikes his speaking style? What I basically got out of the clip (and I'm an Obama supporter who's never watched Olbermann before) was 'here's some blowhard yelling for 10 minutes straight in the tone of an authoritarian-windbag dad who just caught his daughter in bed with her boyfriend'. Edward R. Murrow? No way. Check out this famous CBS reel from 1954 in which Murrow responds to Senator Joseph McCarthy's charges against him. No histrionics, no shouting, no jerky agitated body language, no snarling the word 'Senator' as if it were a racial epithet...just concise, stick-to-the-facts rebuttal of McCarthy's charges, delivered with calm, dignified conviction. That's not a matter of 'genius,' it's just plain old journalistic professionalism and integrity. (And this despite the fact that McCarthy was openly seeking to get Murrow himself blacklisted at the time...and afterwards Murrow even invited McCarthy onto the show to do a counter-rebuttal--which he did, incompetently). If you enjoy Olbermann's style, fine, that's your right, but obviously quite a few of us found this segment a complete turnoff, regardless of our opinions on the topic of his 'commentary.' I think it's a shame the Obama campaign thought this screed was a good thing to send a transcript of to all the reporters on their contact list.
Yes, his commentary on Friday was especially passionate, but to judge Keith based on that one "special comment" is not fair either. He has done several commentaries prior with a much more level headed demeanor. I think this was the straw that broke it. His frustration with Hillary is something that has been building up not only in him but in a large number of us I suspect.
Did you see his special commentary on Hillary months ago?
He totally gave her the benefit of the doubt, defending her and then proceeded to say why he couldn't that particular time.
Friday was the definitely the last straw. This wasn't
so much an uncontrolled tantrum, it was a loooooooog time coming...
Watch this one:
YouTube - Keith Olbermann Special Comment On Hillary and Ferraro
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i miss the keith who'd just make witty comments about putting the biscuit in the basket
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Believe me, I've had these feelings about Olbermann for some time now. It's not just this rant I'm judging him on.
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The danger in a partisan commentator and a highly partisan listener/viewer is that objectivity can get skewed. It becomes just another version of truthiness, just one this time you happen to agree with. Looking for the "gotcha", what suits your wish list.

This piece was ranting opinion, not news. Opinion has become news apparently, but it's not. Everyone agrees with the facts in this situation--she said what she said. Unless there are more facts brought out, everything else is just spin--his side and her side. And everybody gets to play with the spin they like best. Spin is just a game even if it has consequences.
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i miss the keith who'd just make witty comments about putting the biscuit in the basket
Agreed.

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This is my sixth year here. Most of the conservatives who would criticize their own, have left, do to the inability of some to be able to accept any conservative into this community.

Or the inability to have a dialogue without labeling people homophobic, mysogonistic, racist, ect.

Flame on.
I would agree with this.
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Yes, his commentary on Friday was especially passionate, but to judge Keith based on that one "special comment" is not fair either. He has done several commentaries prior with a much more level headed demeanor. I think this was the straw that broke it. His frustration with Hillary is something that has been building up not only in him but in a large number of us I suspect.
Did you see his special commentary on Hillary months ago?
He totally gave her the benefit of the doubt, defending her and then proceeded to say why he couldn't that particular time.
Friday was the definitely the last straw. This wasn't
so much an uncontrolled tantrum, it was a loooooooog time coming...
Watch this one:
YouTube - Keith Olbermann Special Comment On Hillary and Ferraro

It is not the viewer's job

to get where he is coming from

and have a "complete" understanding of how he got to this point


if he is going to do
a dally show

he and his producers should understand that each piece should be able to stand on it's own

Murrow got this

His commentaries seemed measured and respectful

Kieth's style is exaggerated and disrespectful



Keith really should stop using the
"Good luck and Good Night"
sign off.


the first commentary
calling Bush out
on all the lies and distortions about the Iraq War
was good

and it got everybody's attention

Because it seemed like the mainstream media
had failed us
by letting the Bush admin, set and control all the talking points.

but , with that success, He has just continued to amp it up!

he has painted himself into a corner where only the extreme left like his stuff
and listening to that "echo chamber" has made him lose any credibility he had with independents and moderates
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