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Old 07-05-2005, 04:06 PM   #1
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Karl Rove, Worse Than Osama

Was he the leaker? Will he get in trouble?

They are still asking that Copper testify even though Time turned over the e-mails, notes, etc

I don't know who this Ted Rall is. Gee as far as I know Karl Rove isn't a terrorist..not that I don't think he's evil

KARL ROVE: WORSE THAN OSAMA BIN LADEN

By Ted Rall Mon Jul 4

NEW YORK--In war collaborators are more dangerous than enemy forces, for they betray with intimate knowledge in painful detail and demoralize by their cynical example. This explains why, at the end of occupations, the newly liberated exact vengeance upon their treasonous countrymen even they allow foreign troops to conduct an orderly withdrawal.

If, as state-controlled media insists, there is such a creature as a Global War on Terrorism, our enemies are underground Islamist organizations allied with or ideologically similar to those that attacked us on 9/11. But who are the collaborators?

The right points to critics like Michael Moore, yours truly, and Ward Churchill, the Colorado professor who points out the gaping chasm between America's high-falooting rhetoric and its historical record. But these bête noires are guilty only of the all-American actions of criticism and dissent, not to mention speaking uncomfortable truths to liars and deniers. As far as we know, no one on what passes for the "left" (which would be the center-right anywhere else) has betrayed the United States in the GWOT. No anti-Bush progressive has made common cause with Al Qaeda, Hamas, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan or any other officially designated "terrorist" group. No American liberal has handed over classified information or worked to undermine the CIA.

But it now appears that Karl Rove, GOP golden boy, has done exactly that.

Last week Time magazine turned over its reporter's notes to a special prosecutor assigned to learn who told Republican columnist Bob Novak that Valerie Plame was a CIA agent. The revelation, which effectively ended Plame's CIA career and may have endangered her life, followed her husband Joe Wilson's publication of a New York Times op-ed piece that embarrassed the Bush Administration by debunking its claims that Saddam Hussein tried to buy uranium from Niger. Time's cowardly decision to break its promise to a confidential source has had one beneficial side effect: according to Newsweek, it indicates that Karl Rove himself made the call to Novak.

One might have expected Rove, the master White House political strategist who engineered Bush's 2000 coup d'état and post-9/11 permanent war public relations campaign, to have ordered a flunky underling to carry out this act of high treason. But as the Arab saying goes, arrogance diminishes wisdom.

Rove, whose gaping maw recently vomited forth that Democrats didn't care about 9/11, is atypically silent. He did talk to the Time reporter but "never knowingly disclosed classified information," claims his attorney. But there's circumstantial evidence to go along with Time's leaked notes. Ari Fleischer abruptly resigned as Bush's press secretary on May 16, 2003, about the same time the White House became aware of Ambassador Wilson's plans to go public. (Wilson's article appeared July 6.) Did Fleischer quit because he didn't want to act as spokesman for Rove's plan to betray CIA agent Plame? Another interesting coincidence: Novak published his Plame column on July 14, Fleischer's last day on the job.

If Newsweek's report is accurate, Karl Rove is more morally repugnant and more anti-American than Osama bin Laden. Bin Laden, after all, has no affiliation with, and therefore no presumed loyalty to, the United States. Rove, on the other hand, is a U.S. citizen and, as deputy White House chief of staff, a high-ranking official of the U.S. government sworn to uphold and defend our nation, its laws and its interests. Yet he sold out America just to get even with Joe Wilson.

Osama bin Laden, conversely, is loyal to his cause. He has never exposed an Al Qaeda agent's identity to the media.

"[Knowingly revealing Plame's name and undercover status to the media]...is a violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act and is punishable by as much as ten years in prison," notes the Washington Post. Unmasking an intelligent agent during a time of war, however, surely rises to giving aid and comfort to America's enemies--treason. Treason is punishable by execution under the United States Code.

How far up the White House food chain does the rot of treason go? "Bush has always known how to keep Rove in his place," wrote Time in 2002 about a "symbiotic relationship" that dates to 1973. This isn't some rogue "plumbers" operation. Rove would never go it alone on a high-stakes action like Valerie Plame. It's a safe bet that other, higher-ranking figures in the Bush cabal--almost certainly Dick Cheney and possibly Bush himself--signed off before Rove called Novak. For the sake of national security, those involved should be removed from office at once.

Rove and his collaborators should quickly resign and face prosecution for betraying their country, but given their sense of personal entitlement impeachment is probably the best we can hope for. Congress, and all Americans, should place patriotism ahead of party loyalty.
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The article isn't stating that Karl Rove is a terrorist. Merely that he committed high treason for exposing undercover operatives knowingly to the media in a time of war. And I'd have to agree, if it's the case.

Internal enemies are always worse than external enemies.

It's like that old analogy from Armageddon (the movie):

"You lay a firecracker on the palm of your hand, and it goes off. You burn yourself. Nothing major. But...you close your hand around that firecracker...and your wife is going to be opening your ketchup bottles for you for the rest of your life."
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If Newsweek's report is accurate

Rove also flushed Korans down the toilet....
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yeah,

they were never FLUSHED

just pissed on and thrown at toilets

those terrorist bastards should have English as their FIRST language, like us and Jesus
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Rove isn't a terrorist, but he sure is a hole.
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treason

is worse than terror
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If Rove is the snitch, he needs to go to prison - for a very long time.
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Karl Rove = very corrupt

That's all that needs to be said.
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If Rove is the snitch, he needs to go to prison - for a very long time.
Yep. Rove or not, 'treason' or not, it was a fucking dangerous thing to do, and to do it simply out of spite of all things....

Somehow I suspect that if it is Rove....
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Rove also flushed Korans down the toilet....
And we all know one shouldn't desecrate things millions hold sacred. Unless it has a stars and stripes.....
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And we all know one shouldn't desecrate things millions hold sacred. Unless it has a stars and stripes.....
What does this have to do with anything?
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Karl Rove made a call to Novak but not the call. I think that it is good that treason season is on, Rall may get a bit right back at him considering his fever pitch style.

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And we all know one shouldn't desecrate things millions hold sacred. Unless it has a stars and stripes.....


i should just ignore this, but it's so out of line that i can't.

a flag is a symbol of a COUNTRY. countries are never sacred. and simply because it's disrespectful to burn a flag, that doesn't mean it should be illegal, and if, say, iraqi insurgents were holding US marines captive and burning the flag as a method of torture, then it would be every bit as wrong as the desecration of the Koran, and perhaps needlessly endanger the insurgents just as much as the desecration of the Koran -- and in fact all the torture US interrogators may or may not have done, or outsourced -- endangers US troops.

the day it becomes illegal to burn the US flag is the day i'll start burning flags in protest.
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Your flag is worthy to be burned because she can take it. Evidently though "Koran abuse" by the detainees themselves was a lot more prevalent than anything done by the guards. Including shredding, putting in toilet and using as a pillow. The bibliotheism shown towards some dead trees and the apparent disregard towards the "true meaning of Islam" that is a religion of peace these types display is plain weird.

Having to wear gloves when touching Koran because the guard is considered a 'filthy infidel' is just a ridiculous level of pandering to your enemies. What endangers soliders lives is the reporting of non-existent Koran abuse (with later admission of completely seperate minor incidents for which reprimand was given), the failure of the Arab press to retract stories or clarify and the inciting of violence by those that manipulate and lie about your actions anyway. It does not matter if a real Koran was actually put in a toilet, pissed on or burned because you have people that want to believe whatever they get told.

If marines were captured and the worse they got was a burning flag as torture they would be very, very lucky. After the liberation of Falujah last year they found torture dens filled with corpses and wounded survivours. Not to mention the stock standard decapitation and mutilation of hostages. The mistreatment of hostages by terrorists is out there if you look for it, I am not making an argument of moral equivalence or justifying torture, just saying that treating the actions of hypothetical 'insurgents' to be as soft as burning a flag does not match with the actions in the real world.
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To compare this man to Bin Laden shows just how out of line and out of touch with reality this writer is.

Show me the pictures again of the planes SMASHING into the World Trade Center, and THOUSANDS of INNOCENT PEOPLE DYING. Show me the video of people JUMPING from the WTC hoping to escape certain DEATH. Show me the MILLIONS of people who lost friends and loved ones that day, who shed tears for those who were SLAUGHTERED.

Now tell me that someone in the current administration is worse than the mastermind behind this EVIL.

Osama Bin Laden deserves to die a thousand deaths.

You're telling me Karl Rove deserves the same?
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