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Old 02-12-2004, 01:26 PM   #16
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Seriously, I just want this whole thing to be over and done with. We have way more important things in this country worth being riled up over.

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Honestly, I think the harrassment incident at our library a couple of weeks ago is more newsworthy than Janet's breast incident. This might sound egotistical, but I think harrassment in the workplace is a security issue that needs to be discussed; Janet's breast incident really is not. Where's the outrage when a library worker is afraid she is going to get stabbed or shot? A Birmingham library worker was killed in cold blood *at work* in November of 2002. I'm not trying to hijack this thread, just expressing an opinion about priorities in this society. They are screwy.
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Honestly, I think the harrassment incident at our library a couple of weeks ago is more newsworthy than Janet's breast incident. This might sound egotistical, but I think harrassment in the workplace is a security issue that needs to be discussed; Janet's breast incident really is not. Where's the outrage when a library worker is afraid she is going to get stabbed or shot? A Birmingham library worker was killed in cold blood *at work* in November of 2002. I'm not trying to hijack this thread, just expressing an opinion about priorities in this society. They are screwy.
Don't worry about hijacking this thread, you're absolutely right. That's definitely worth being concerned about. People should be able to go to work without fear their lives will be in danger. That library incident is an issue that actually affects other people, it's something that potentially harms people. A girl's breast being exposed for two seconds harms nobody in any way, shape, or form.

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A girl's breast being exposed for two seconds harms nobody in any way, shape, or form.
Without disagreeing with you, this statement is why the issue is still in the news today. I'm sure you feel fairly comfortable making the blanket statement that no harm comes from the stunt. There are, however, people who feel differently. Should society, to some degree, be sensitive to their concerns?
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Without disagreeing with you, this statement is why the issue is still in the news today. I'm sure you feel fairly comfortable making the blanket statement that no harm comes from the stunt. There are, however, people who feel differently. Should society, to some degree, be sensitive to their concerns?
First I'd need to know what harm could possibly come from her breast being exposed for a couple of seconds. Nobody'd die. Nobody'd be injured. The worst that could happen is that a few people may be offended. But you know what I've said before about what offends some people doesn't offend others, and we can't censor every single thing that may potentially offend people. I don't expect people to censor the things that offend me. I just don't watch them.

Someone asked this on another board-what is it about the human body that freaks people out so much to begin with?

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Without disagreeing with you, this statement is why the issue is still in the news today. I'm sure you feel fairly comfortable making the blanket statement that no harm comes from the stunt. There are, however, people who feel differently. Should society, to some degree, be sensitive to their concerns?
I can see why some people aren't exactly pleased with Janet's stunt. A big shot celebrity does something that's not exactly virtuous--not cool. You have to tell your kids that it's not. Personally, I have more trouble with Viagra commercials than I do Janet's breast, but that's just me. I just happen to think that security threats in the workplace are worse than even Viagra commercials.
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An interesting article in regards to this whole controversy that someone shared on another board:

Much Ado About A Small Matter
by Charley Reese

http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese41.html

The baring of Janet Jackson's breast during the Super Bowl halftime show was certainly a cheap, low-class, vulgar stunt. But cheap, low-class and vulgar apply to the majority of popular entertainment and advertising in the United States.

What did the National Football League expect when it hired MTV to produce the show? The Westminster Choir? MTV stands for Mostly Tasteless Viewing.

That said, declaring a woman's breast obscene and launching a federal investigation shows you how bizarre and crazy this country has become. If a woman's breast is obscene, then what is the federal government going to do about millions of suckling babes? Perhaps arrest them all for participating in an obscene act.

It was a stunt. The Federal Communications Commission should simply fine CBS and MTV and be done with it. What is there to investigate? Presumably nearly 90 million people saw it. Whether it was planned or not is beside the point. CBS and MTV are responsible for the actions of their hired help. But it's no big deal.

Surely, not even in TV land, is there anyone out there superstitious enough to believe that the mere sight of a bare breast will cause harm to his or her body or soul. Surely we have gotten beyond the point where anyone considers a naked human body to be obscene. After all, religious people believe it was created in God's image.

Sometimes I think scientists should quit searching for intelligent life in outer space and see if they can find any on this planet. President Bush, who has gotten us into two undeclared wars, is worried about athletes taking steroids. Odd, since when he was a baseball club owner, he apparently had no interest in the subject.

Now Michael Powell, chairman of the FCC, who is willing to let big corporations devour what's left of a free press in this country, claims he was highly offended by a fleeting glimpse of a pasty-covered nipple.

Presumably the whole nation must now concentrate on one bare breast and a bunch of steroid-using athletes. They, by the way, are not the only people who have taken these drugs. Try police departments and the military, both now officially designated as heroes, or visit your local health club.

I suggest that there are other things besides bulging muscles and a bare breast that should concern the political leadership in this country. A few of them are: 35 million people living in poverty; the federal deficit; the U.S. trade deficit; the hemorrhaging of jobs to cheap-labor countries; the $2 trillion debt consumers are now carrying; the lack of a national health-insurance program; trying to find a way to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan; passing a fair and intelligible tax code that isn't written by lobbyists for the rich; and stopping the massive migration, both legal and illegal, into this country.

As for the vulgarity on television, turn it off. As for the vulgarity in the movies, don't go. Nobody in America is being force-fed this stuff. Perhaps it is we, the American people, who have become vulgar, low-class and without taste. After all, that's where egalitarianism usually leads. The mob has never produced great literature, great art or great music. It has always produced pretty much what you see in the pop culture today the mindless fawning over the untalented.

I'm reminded of a stern, unreconstructed Southern minister who opposed public education, arguing that if you teach everyone to read, all you will do is create a mass market for trash literature.

Hopefully, there are still Americans who are intelligent and well-educated, and who have the ability to set priorities, clearly define problems and organize people's efforts to solve them. Hopefully, there are millions of Americans who, while they might have been offended by the inappropriate venue, recognize that a bare breast is not a national issue or a proper subject of a federal investigation.

Thank God for hope.


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There are, however, people who feel differently. Should society, to some degree, be sensitive to their concerns?

Are you an officially designated special interest group? If not....no
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Justin is just a lame asshole who can't sing. As somebody once said, he is the musical equivalent of tofu - has no flavour, but you can make him taste like anything you want.

No racism here, just a sad attempt to direct all blame away from himself.
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what is it about the human body that freaks people out so much to begin with?
Nothing, that's why I watch Sue Johanson's Sex Talk. But seriously, I wanted to see Janet's nipple ring about as much as I'd want to see my dad's balls.

I think the real issue is not that a breast was flashed on TV; that's merely incidental. The issue is that MTV put on the most tasteless, talentless, sexually gratuitous, inappropriate halftime show ever and Janet's "malfunction" was the icing on the ghetto booty cake. There's a difference between appreciating the human body and humping each other on national TV.
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Let me ask a question none of the media or at least this thread has covered, and it is out of curiosity, what is offensive about it?
All I've read is replies on why it shouldn't be, also in the media, people writing about how silly it is and far fetched.
I am curious to hear what exactly is the problem, from those who have the issue with it.
Anyone?
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Wow.....I am going to visit this thread more often now. My childhood sweetie...
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I think the real issue is not that a breast was flashed on TV; that's merely incidental. The issue is that MTV put on the most tasteless, talentless, sexually gratuitous, inappropriate halftime show ever and Janet's "malfunction" was the icing on the ghetto booty cake. There's a difference between appreciating the human body and humping each other on national TV.
And people expected anything different from MTV because...? I mean, MTV's never really been known to be, nor claimed to be, an innocent cable channel, so when people heard that they were in control of the halftime show this year...people should've known better.

And good question, Angela Harlem.

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And people expected anything different from MTV because...? I mean, MTV's never really been known to be, nor claimed to be, an innocent cable channel, so when people heard that they were in control of the halftime show this year...people should've known better.

Yeah, no kidding. This whole incident really means nothing to me b/c I hate MTV, I hate Janet, Jessia, Justin, Nelly, and Kid Rock, and I hate the Superbowl...I hate professional leagues in general. So I guess my instinctive response to the whole ordeal would be "figures".

In response to Angela Harlem, I think it is offensive because if we decide it's OK for dancers dressed like ho-bags to grind everyone in sight, and it's OK for women to flaunt their nipples at the SUPERBOWL than it must be OK for this to be on primetime TV. Where do we draw the line? Why not make porno channels part of basic cable then? I think it's rediculous that MTV has to stoop to this level to create a show they think people will enjoy. What about groups like U2 that can blow everyone else out of the water, yet they're not dancing about with their wangs flapping for all of creation to "appreciate"? It's more unnecessary than it is offensive, at least for me.
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