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Old 08-26-2007, 07:58 PM   #331
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also, to those who support the dp, we've talked about if your children were victims. but let's turn the tables. i ask you:

if your child was the murderer, would you support the dp? if you so believe that someone who kills deserves to be killed, would you be the one to pull the switch?
If it was my child who was a murderer, he would have to face his punishment even if it were the death penalty. Could I pull the switch on my own.........no.
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Old 08-26-2007, 08:01 PM   #332
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this is cheap emotional blackmail. you can do better than this and i'm insulted that you somehow think that opposition to the death penalty means that i care ANY LESS about this little girl than you do. you are not holier than i am, you are not more compassionate than i am, you are not more concerned with this tragedy than i am.

No, I am appalled that you would even think such a thing, I didn't want people here to loose perspective on the type of crime that was committed on this little girl.

And please do not put words in my mouth! I also NEVER said I am holier than thou, if you read all my posts you get that.

I think there is a huge lack of respect for the religious beliefs people have here.
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and you know what just occured to me?

America has more "believers" than any other western country. American has more "Christians" who go to church regularly than any other western country. American Christians scream and yell about how we're founded on "Judeo-Christian values" and how the Founding Fathers were Jesus Freaks themselves.

and yet, we've got, by far, the highest murder rate in the western world.

you do the math.

so, let's drop our Bibles, dump Jesus, close the churches, and maybe we'll see our murder rates drop to levels seen in heathen Western Europe and Australia.

please, dump Jesus for Jessica. if you cared about Jessica, you'd do your best to secularize America so that our murder rate will go down.

if you've just come back from church, you don't care about Jessica and you want little girls to get murdered.

please, do it for Jessica.


Most of the time here you make quite good remarks and points that are well taken.

What you've said here is really offensive.

I through my values, beliefs and morals throw them right out there for everyone in a discussion and I get all this religious backlash and called a terrorist.

Irvine11, I refuse to stoop to your level when theres nothing left to say. The terrorist comment was very unique, you out did yourself.
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Difference between the US and other countries i sthat here people use th ebible to justify the death penalty, in other countries they used it to get it abolished.

To the Diamonds and JCOSTERs of the world, do you think you have a better understanding of the bible than the likes of the Catholic, Episcopal and Methodist churches who use it to OPPOSE the death penalthy ?

Simply no I don't....and let me reiterate that I WAS ASKED about it in the bible.
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I think you know what countries have those types of punishments.
Yes, I just questioned the connection drawn.

You were like, "When we don't have capital punishment, we will do torturing people." Either, or.
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Old 08-26-2007, 08:13 PM   #336
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Yes, I just questioned the connection drawn.

You were like, "When we don't have capital punishment, we will do torturing people." Either, or.

I was being sarcastic with that quote at the time.
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I was being sarcastic with that quote at the time.

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I say that he should be buried alive the same way she was, tortured and raped too. Good riddence for crap like him. Its just one left we have to worry about. h
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Could I pull the switch on my own.........no.
You'll require others to do your dirty work for you?
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Old 08-26-2007, 08:28 PM   #340
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Oh and Martha ....just a simple thanks.

And yes I would have the legal system do the work.
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Oh and Martha ....just a simple thanks.

And yes I would have the legal system do the work.
You're welcome. You should think through what you say before you say it then.


WE are the legal system; it operates on our behalf. I have no problem locking a prison door on a man for the rest of his life. You should be able to carry out the punishment you support.
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Simply no I don't....and let me reiterate that I WAS ASKED about it in the bible.
you know, if I lived my life and held beliefs based on a book written by illiteraye sheepherders 2000 years ago, and huge organizations who have spent a lot more resources and time studying said book and had come to a different conclusion on a major point like the death penalty, I'd probably stop and at least re-think/investigate why they come to such a different conclusion. But that's just me I guess
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Old 08-26-2007, 08:35 PM   #343
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Oh geee....maybe I should call amnesty international because apparently here I am being blasted for my beliefs and what I think should happen to John Couey.

Martha done w/u.
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From a recent article about a poll:

While support for capital punishment is on the decline, it remains much higher among those who believe in deterrence, suggesting a shift in justification away from a "for the good of society" argument. The DPIC poll found that 62 percent of people still favor the death penalty as a possible punishment for those convicted of murder.

A more compelling reason for opposing the death penalty, many argue, is widespread belief that innocent people have been executed. "The lack of faith in deterrence has been involved in the debate, but it has not dominated it," says David Elliot, spokesman for the National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty. "I honestly believe innocence is a more salient factor."

2 interesting things -- 62% -- that's a lot. And obviously way more than "conservative christians" eh? So, it would be nice to stop using the "all you christians" lead in on these threads.

But even more interesting, the reason for decline, and I for one, am in this crowd -- I do not endorse it, unless I know 100% the person is guilty, and then it has to be for what appears to be a permanent character flaw in the form of a lack of respect for human life.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar...athpenalty.htm
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