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Old 08-24-2007, 04:52 PM   #16
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So keep him locked up without parole.


Killing him will not make anyone feel any better. They will not find peace in their hearts and minds after he is gone, there will always be the anguish.

What he did was awful and disgusting and it sends knots in my stomach. Just because he chose to take a life does not make it right that we should make the same choice.
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Old 08-24-2007, 04:56 PM   #17
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There is no justice for Jessica or her family



people that support executions (justified killing of someone)

have a lot in common with the people they want executed -

Most would agree with you here, which is no suprise.
Most Americans and fair minded people would see your post as a strange assesment.

First off, an execution is not a "justified killing of someone".

It is execution of a guilty person who snuffed out a young innocent child.

Other than another death occurs, there are no similaraties.

To suggest otherwise is twisted.



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I just can't bring myself to condemn another persons life and say "That person deserves to die"


As deep said life is not fair, we learn this at an early age, and for those of us who believe in some sort of higher power will say it's not up to us to deliver justice for such a horrendous offense.
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U2 Democrat see my post above and being a minister's daughter how would you interpret Mark 9:42?

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Old 08-24-2007, 05:09 PM   #20
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See also Matt 18:6
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U2 Democrat see my post above and being a minister's daughter how would you interpret Mark 9:42?

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As a Christian, diamond, how do you then interpret Exodus 31:15, Exodus 21:17, and Deuteronomy 21:18-21?
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The NT supercedes the OT.

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You mean like Matthew 5:38-42, when violence is denounced?
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whatever, i'd actually rather not get into a biblical debate. i don't see how Jessica nor her family is getting any "justice".
he has done them irreparrible harm. that is for certain. but his blood will never wash away their tears.
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Matthew 5:38-42
"38 You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; 40 and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; 41 and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you."

Where do that say that Child Killers are to be spared the death penalty?
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But what about all the talk of forgiveness and letting God do the judging?

Turn the other cheek, not 7 but 77 times, etc.
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So forgive people, but there are exceptions? That was Jesus' message?
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it's ultra-emotional cases like these that demonstrate exactly why the death penalty has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with vengence.

i understand the need for vengence. there's a part of me that would love to see this man buried alive as well. or that Susan Smith woman to be put in a car and thrown into a lake and to drown like her children did. these impluses are totally understandable especially when we're dealing with horrific murders involving children.

but that doesn't mean it's good policy, or good for society, or really good for anyone. we misunderstand the death penalty. it's a penalty. it's a punishment meted out in the way that 5 years or 10 years or 6 months or 30 years is meted out as a punishment. punishments for criminals aren't designed to make anyone feel better, they are designed to serve a specific purpose. the reason why death is a flawed punishment has been gone over so many times -- it's finality, it's racist application, the irrationality of showing that killing is wrong by killing somone -- that it doesn't bear much repeating.

i think cases like these understandably make us cry out for vengence, and that is not what the justice system is for. it's vengence that leads to a breakdown in the rule of law. it's vengence that fules sectarian killings in Iraq, or Bosnia, or Sudan. vengence, while profoundly human and understandable, isn't an emotion that should be pursued by the justice system.
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Actually no BVS....I posted this as an outlet for my feelings. I just had to log on to this board and free my mind (no pun intended) from the outrage and sorrow I felt.

I know that you're against the death penalty and I didn't start this thread to start any arguments for or against - I just wanted to write down my thoughts - which is what this board is for.

Of course I welcome a discussion if anyone would care to comment.
Ok, I understand. But actually this board is for discussion, not just writing down thoughts, so I was a little confused as to the intent.

But it looks like it's generated discussion...

I was just curious.
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But what about all the talk of forgiveness and letting God do the judging?

Turn the other cheek, not 7 but 77 times, etc.
You're correct that we are to forgive all men from:
Hilter
Stalin
Jeffery Dahmer
Gacy
and this man in Florida, even if they re repentent or not.

However it doesn't say that because we forgive him that we stay the execution of his earthly punishment, which so happens to be the death penalty.

And so sooner he meets his Maker the better off he'll be.

As far as judging others, we are to exercise righteous judgement as a society and God's children.
You cannot mis interpret "Thou Shall Not Judge" to burying your head in the sand.

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