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Old 08-25-2007, 11:54 PM   #226
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So then lets not have and just do what the other countries do instead because thats so much more humane.
Why is it one or the other? Can't we put them in a humane prison for life without parole. I'm not inferring treating them like kings but nothing like your examples show.
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So then lets not have and just do what the other countries do instead because thats so much more humane.
There's no middle ground? We either have to execute our criminals or torture them?
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So then lets not have and just do what the other countries do instead because thats so much more humane.
What kind of logic is that? You basically said, "well it's more humane than torturous amputating prisons, so why not kill them."

Do you not see a gray in there? I'm sorry if you don't...
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The DP is humane compared to the jail sentences and punishments from other countries.
Yes, if you choose the extreme countries.

Last I heard prisoners in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Western Europe weren't being tortured in medieval jails.
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Which is it? Don't kill, or kill via executions?

Don't kill thy neighbor. Meaning don't kill your friend/relative/someone else just for the sake of killing.

Maybe this will explain a little better:

The first mention of capital punishment as a penalty for murder is in Genesis 9:6:

"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." (KJV)

This passage regards the killing of a human as an offense against God because humans were made in the image of God, both male and female. Unlike the previous passage which required that the murderer be merely exiled, this verse required the murderer to be killed.
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What kind of logic is that? You basically said, "well it's more humane than torturous amputating prisons, so why not kill them."

Do you not see a gray in there? I'm sorry if you don't...
I myself would rather be dead then put into a chinese or turkish prison. Theres no gray there, if I was going to be stoned to death or mutilated because I murdered someone I would rather have a lethal injection.
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Maybe this will explain a little better:

The first mention of capital punishment as a penalty for murder is in Genesis 9:6:

"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." (KJV)

This passage regards the killing of a human as an offense against God because humans were made in the image of God, both male and female. Unlike the previous passage which required that the murderer be merely exiled, this verse required the murderer to be killed.
I'd be interested if you could come up with a New Testament verse in support of capital punishment.

At least in the eyes of early Christians, the Old Testament was no longer to be used for purposes of morality or law; Jesus' commandment to "love one another" was considered to have replaced it. The only reason the OT was included as part of the Christian Biblical canon at all was so that references to it in the New Testament would thus have context.
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Why is it one or the other? Can't we put them in a humane prison for life without parole. I'm not inferring treating them like kings but nothing like your examples show.
My quote was in response to Bonovox.
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I think we are quite humane on how we execute guilty murderers in our country.

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My quote was in response to Bonovox.
Yes, I understood that, and reflected it in my response.
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I think we are quite humane on how we execute guilty murderers in our country.

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I'd be interested if you could come up with a New Testament verse in support of capital punishment.

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Matt 18:6

Look it up.

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I think we are quite humane on how we execute guilty murderers in our country.

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The problem is that they're not always guilty.
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Don't kill thy neighbor. Meaning don't kill your friend/relative/someone else just for the sake of killing.

Maybe this will explain a little better:

The first mention of capital punishment as a penalty for murder is in Genesis 9:6:

"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." (KJV)

This passage regards the killing of a human as an offense against God because humans were made in the image of God, both male and female. Unlike the previous passage which required that the murderer be merely exiled, this verse required the murderer to be killed.
Wow...

First of all most say thou shall not kill. And even if it does say neighbor, neighbor has always been interpreted as humankind.

Otherwise we can pick and choose who we love. If we don't feel like loving someone from another race, we could just say they aren't our neighbor.

You may want to read this, it gives a little context:

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/668.htm
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I myself would rather be dead then put into a chinese or turkish prison. Theres no gray there, if I was going to be stoned to death or mutilated because I murdered someone I would rather have a lethal injection.


Where do you live? Are we not talking about the US here?

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