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Old 04-25-2004, 11:24 PM   #1
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John Kerry's words in 1971 about Vietnam attacked by White House worker.

Hughes blasts Kerry's Vietnam comments

The guy wins a Silver Star, a Bronze Star, and 3 Purple Hearts and the lady gets snippy about him NOT throwing them away???

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Kerry has defined his Vietnam experience. By most accounts, it was a heroic effort. There now seems to be some inconsistencies between the generally accepted story and his record. If these inconsistencies do not amount to much, the story will disappear.

Kerry may have made his "I threw away my medals" claims to strenghthen his appeal to the anti-war effort back then. He is playing to a different crowd today.

More on the subject:

Videotape Contradicts John Kerry’s Own Statements Over Vietnam Medals

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"I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine medals," Kerry said in an interview on a Washington, D.C., news program on WRC-TV called Viewpoints on Nov. 6, 1971, according to a tape obtained by ABCNEWS.
Throughout his presidential campaign, Kerry has denied that he threw away any of his medals during an anti-war protest in April 1971.

Calling it a "phony controversy" instigated by the Republican party, Kerry said on Good Morning America today that he has always accurately said what took place. "I threw my ribbons. I didn't have my medals. It is very simple."
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From the Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...ound_defended/

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In an exchange, aired by ABC and published in The New York Times, an interviewer asks Kerry, "How many did you give back, John?" Kerry responds, "I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine." The host then notes that Kerry had won the Purple Hearts and Bronze and Silver stars. Kerry says, "Well, and above that, I gave back my others."

Nearly 800 veterans "gave back" medals, ribbons, dog tags and other military items by tossing them over a fence near the Capitol. Kerry has said that after the protest he also threw over the fence the medals of two other veterans who had asked him to return them.

Kerry denied Monday that his statements have been inconsistent. He said ribbons were often referred to as medals.

"Back then ribbons, medals were absolutely interchangeable," Kerry told "Good Morning America" on ABC. "The U.S. Navy pamphlet calls them medals. We all referred to them as the symbols they were representing. Medals, ribbons ... countless veterans threw the ribbons back."
BTW, I think Kerry is quite right in noting that this controversy now comes from someone who can't even answer if he showed up for National Guard duty or not.

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The GOP is certainly digging from the bottom of the barrel. Of course, when you're part of a party that appeals to the lowest common denominator...

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Guess what the GOP found "at the bottom of the barrel"

Kerry Puts Guard Story Back on Front Page
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Where are they finding all these barrels?
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The GOP is certainly digging from the bottom of the barrel. Of course, when you're part of a party that appeals to the lowest common denominator...

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that's a little much melon. i think there's plenty of reason to go after the bush administration's apparent hypocrisy in this, but my parents are republicans, and i have a number of republican friends, and i wouldn't exactly consider them the lowest common denominator.
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some of my best friends are Republican
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I fear for the sanity of the GOP if all they have to offer is Dubya.
But, the supporters of that wonderful shrub will point out....
"He's a great leader."
If it's brought to their attention ( GOP) that Bush is a dimwit,
their only response is to attack Clinton. LOL!
Funny....I dont think Clinton is prez anymore last time I checked.
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Wesley Clark (former Democratic Candidate and former NATO Commander) wrote an Article about the military records of Mr. Kerry in the NY Times:

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When John Kerry released his military records to the public last week, Americans learned a lot about Mr. Kerry's exceptional service in Vietnam. They also learned a lot about the Republican attack machine.

The evaluations were uniformly glowing. One commander wrote that Mr. Kerry ranked among "the top few" in three categories: initiative, cooperation and personal behavior. Another commander wrote, "In a combat environment often requiring independent, decisive action, Lt. j.g. Kerry was unsurpassed." The citation for Mr. Kerry's Bronze Star praises his "calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire."

In the United States military, there's no ideology — there are no labels, Republican or Democrat — when superiors evaluate a man or woman's service to country. Mr. Kerry's commander for a brief time, Grant Hibbard, now a Republican, gave Mr. Kerry top marks 36 years ago.

Now the standards are those of politics, not the military. Despite his positive evaluations, Mr. Hibbard recently questioned whether Mr. Kerry deserved one of his three Purple Hearts.

In the heat of a political campaign, attacks come from all directions. That's why John Kerry's military records are so compelling; they measure the man before his critics or his supporters saw him through a political lens. These military records show that John Kerry served his country with valor, and that those who served with him and above him held him in high regard. That's honor enough for any veteran.

Yet the Republican attack machine follows a pattern we've seen before, whether the target is Senator John McCain in South Carolina in 2000 or Senator Max Cleland in Georgia in 2002. The latest manifestation of these tactics is the controversy over Mr. Kerry's medals.

John Kerry was awarded three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star for his service in Vietnam. In April 1971, as part of a protest against the war, he threw some ribbons over the fence of the United States Capitol.

Republicans have tried to use this event to question his patriotism and his truthfulness, claiming he has been inconsistent in saying whether he threw away his medals or ribbons. This is no more than a political smear. After risking his life in Vietnam to save others, John Kerry earned the right to speak out against a war he believed was wrong. Make no mistake: it is that bravery these Republicans are now attacking.

Although President Bush has not engaged personally in such accusations, he has done nothing to stop others from making them. I believe those who didn't serve, or didn't show up for service, should have the decency to respect those who did serve — often under the most dangerous conditions, with bravery and, yes, with undeniable patriotism.
(since you need an account at the NY times and the article isn't that long i quoted the article completely)

Of course Mr. Clark is a Democrat and because of that he is biased, but i think he made some good statements here.
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Where are they finding all these barrels?
Who knows, but maybe we should have used them to find the WMD's.
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McCain Defends Kerry's Record on National Security
Ariz. Senator Calls for More Civility in Debate
By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 19, 2004; Page A01


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

Republican Sen. John McCain yesterday defended Sen. John F. Kerry's record on national security, undercutting the Bush-Cheney campaign's latest attacks on the Democratic presidential challenger and frustrating conservatives hoping for a unified front against the Massachusetts senator.
I do not believe that he is, quote, 'weak on defense,' " McCain (Ariz.) said on NBC's "Today" show.

Asked on the CBS "Early Show" whether he agreed with Vice President Cheney's assertion that Kerry is a threat to national security, McCain said: "I don't think that. I think that John Kerry is a good and decent man. . . . I think he has different points of view on different issues, and he will have to explain his voting record. But this kind of rhetoric, I think, is not helpful in educating and helping the American people make a choice."

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McCain Defends Kerry's Record on National Security
Ariz. Senator Calls for More Civility in Debate
By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 19, 2004; Page A01


Republican Sen. John McCain yesterday defended Sen. John F. Kerry's record on national security, undercutting the Bush-Cheney campaign's latest attacks on the Democratic presidential challenger and frustrating conservatives hoping for a unified front against the Massachusetts senator.



"I do not believe that he is, quote, 'weak on defense,' " McCain (Ariz.) said on NBC's "Today" show.

Asked on the CBS "Early Show" whether he agreed with Vice President Cheney's assertion that Kerry is a threat to national security, McCain said: "I don't think that. I think that John Kerry is a good and decent man. . . . I think he has different points of view on different issues, and he will have to explain his voting record. But this kind of rhetoric, I think, is not helpful in educating and helping the American people make a choice."

Although McCain restated his support of Bush's reelection bid, Democrats welcomed his remarks during a week in which the Bush-Cheney campaign sharpened its attacks on Kerry's record on military and diplomatic matters. In a speech Wednesday in California, Cheney portrayed Kerry as a weak-willed lawmaker whose policies would have left Saddam Hussein in Baghdad as well as Kuwait. He said Kerry "has given us ample doubts about his judgment and the attitude he brings to bear on vital issues of national security."

Yesterday, the Bush campaign released a new TV ad attacking Kerry's voting record on funding the war in Iraq.

McCain, who lost a sometimes bitter GOP presidential nomination battle to Bush four years ago, is well-known for opposing Republican orthodoxy on campaign finance laws and other issues. A congressional authority on military affairs, he is a hero to many veterans familiar with his years of torture in a North Vietnamese prisoner-of-war camp.

Some of Bush's staunchest backers seemed infuriated by McCain's comments, which ran counter to the Republicans' theme of the week and landed on an otherwise quiet day, with Kerry on vacation in Idaho. Conservative talk show hosts, including Laura Ingraham, denounced McCain's remarks, and by midday the senator was declining most interview requests.
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Two associates close to McCain said that he is weary of such criticisms from within his party but that he refuses to join what he considers unfair attacks on Kerry, a friend and fellow decorated veteran of the Vietnam War. They noted that McCain was asked point-blank whether he thinks Kerry is weak on defense, not a more nuanced question such as how his and Kerry's voting records differ.
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McCain Defends Kerry's Record on National Security
Ariz. Senator Calls for More Civility in Debate
By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 19, 2004; Page A01


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

Republican Sen. John McCain yesterday defended Sen. John F. Kerry's record on national security, undercutting the Bush-Cheney campaign's latest attacks on the Democratic presidential challenger and frustrating conservatives hoping for a unified front against the Massachusetts senator.
I do not believe that he is, quote, 'weak on defense,' " McCain (Ariz.) said on NBC's "Today" show.

Asked on the CBS "Early Show" whether he agreed with Vice President Cheney's assertion that Kerry is a threat to national security, McCain said: "I don't think that. I think that John Kerry is a good and decent man. . . . I think he has different points of view on different issues, and he will have to explain his voting record. But this kind of rhetoric, I think, is not helpful in educating and helping the American people make a choice."

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McCain Defends Kerry's Record on National Security
Ariz. Senator Calls for More Civility in Debate
By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 19, 2004; Page A01


Republican Sen. John McCain yesterday defended Sen. John F. Kerry's record on national security, undercutting the Bush-Cheney campaign's latest attacks on the Democratic presidential challenger and frustrating conservatives hoping for a unified front against the Massachusetts senator.



"I do not believe that he is, quote, 'weak on defense,' " McCain (Ariz.) said on NBC's "Today" show.

Asked on the CBS "Early Show" whether he agreed with Vice President Cheney's assertion that Kerry is a threat to national security, McCain said: "I don't think that. I think that John Kerry is a good and decent man. . . . I think he has different points of view on different issues, and he will have to explain his voting record. But this kind of rhetoric, I think, is not helpful in educating and helping the American people make a choice."

Although McCain restated his support of Bush's reelection bid, Democrats welcomed his remarks during a week in which the Bush-Cheney campaign sharpened its attacks on Kerry's record on military and diplomatic matters. In a speech Wednesday in California, Cheney portrayed Kerry as a weak-willed lawmaker whose policies would have left Saddam Hussein in Baghdad as well as Kuwait. He said Kerry "has given us ample doubts about his judgment and the attitude he brings to bear on vital issues of national security."

Yesterday, the Bush campaign released a new TV ad attacking Kerry's voting record on funding the war in Iraq.

McCain, who lost a sometimes bitter GOP presidential nomination battle to Bush four years ago, is well-known for opposing Republican orthodoxy on campaign finance laws and other issues. A congressional authority on military affairs, he is a hero to many veterans familiar with his years of torture in a North Vietnamese prisoner-of-war camp.

Some of Bush's staunchest backers seemed infuriated by McCain's comments, which ran counter to the Republicans' theme of the week and landed on an otherwise quiet day, with Kerry on vacation in Idaho. Conservative talk show hosts, including Laura Ingraham, denounced McCain's remarks, and by midday the senator was declining most interview requests.
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Two associates close to McCain said that he is weary of such criticisms from within his party but that he refuses to join what he considers unfair attacks on Kerry, a friend and fellow decorated veteran of the Vietnam War. They noted that McCain was asked point-blank whether he thinks Kerry is weak on defense, not a more nuanced question such as how his and Kerry's voting records differ.
There is a clear distinction between how McCain has voted on Defense spending over the past 20 years and the way Kerry has voted.

Kerry ran for Senate in 1984 pledging during his campaign to cut vital weapons systems from the US Military that were either in development or had just gone into production. These were:

The M1 Tank, The M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle, The Patriot Missile System, The Apache Attack Helicopter, The MLRS Multiple Launch Rocket System to name a few.

All of these weapon systems have been vital to the US Army over the past 20 years in achieving its goals on and off the battlefield. Kerry was against having these systems, all of which are currently being used by the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan.

McCain in contrast has supported all of these weapon systems and has been a strong supporter of defense spending over the past 20 years. If McCain was running for president against Kerry, he might be more diplomatic about making these points, but he would certainly bring them out.

Kerry voted against these weapon systems and higher defense budgets. Thats a fact, and its important that Voters consider that this fall before they vote.
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There is a clear distinction between how McCain has voted on Defense spending over the past 20 years and the way Kerry has voted.

Kerry ran for Senate in 1984 pledging during his campaign to cut vital weapons systems from the US Military that were either in development or had just gone into production. These were:

The M1 Tank, The M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle, The Patriot Missile System, The Apache Attack Helicopter, The MLRS Multiple Launch Rocket System to name a few.

All of these weapon systems have been vital to the US Army over the past 20 years in achieving its goals on and off the battlefield. Kerry was against having these systems, all of which are currently being used by the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Another opponent of these systems was Dick Cheney, since he also proposed to get rid of these artifacts of the Cold War.
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=177

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Kerry voted against these weapon systems and higher defense budgets. Thats a fact, and its important that Voters consider that this fall before they vote.
Then I suggest you check your facts (pun fully intended).

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