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Old 03-08-2004, 06:16 AM   #16
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The main problem, that gets people like Bush elected, is that the 'average' voter doesn't dig too deep into the issues.

Remember Gore got blasted after his first debate because among other things he was rattling off too many stats and going too far into issues? He was supposed to just smile and provide cute soundbites. Bush acting cocky and smartarse won, though if you read a transcript he hardly answers a single question properly. Gore nailed him on everything, but he'd shoot back with a smartarse line and it turned back to the old 'nerd' vs 'funny guy' thing and people went with the guy who had 'personality'. Of course for the next debates Gore turned down the issue talk and went with 'personality' and because he didn't really have one, he lost and the US voting public so decided that an extremely narrow minded, simple guy who is good at putting people down was way better than a very intelligent guy who seemed to have a great deal of vision for your country. A mind numbingly stupid decision.

Most voters will vote on only one or two issues that immediately effect them, and won't care about anything else, won't even pay attention. There are plenty who will just vote on image, their traditional affiliation, 'personality' etc without any real care for looking deeper into what they are choosing. Very few try and find out about as much as they can in as many areas as they can - people who visit FYM aren't 'typical voters' from any country.

I can only think of that as the main reason why Bush got in. He certainly had nothing else going for him back then, and he doesn't seem to have done a positive thing since (although obviously my US domestic awareness isn't great).

If only your Democrats campaigned as dirty as your Republicans do instead of focusing on those stupid 'issues'. Tearing Bush to shreds should be a piece of cake. His slogan is "Steady Leadership in Times of Change" !!! Are they going to point out that the "Times of Change" are mostly because of him and his shaky leadership?

From the other side of the world, it appears the Republicans appear to have a problem with sex. They spent so long chasing Clinton for a blow job, claiming moral superiority on the matter, while so many of the hunters were doing the exact same thing (Gingrich etc), and they tried to make Gore look bad by just tying him to Clinton so much, and chasing him on bogus funding issues. Well, why don't the Democrats play the same game? Again it'll be sex all the way through the campaign, but this time gay marriage. They'll play on the fears that are still out there over homosexuality, make it seem like gay marriage is the end of all civilisation and make the supporters of it look like they are pure evil or 'disgusting'. I hope the Democrats are taking a leaf out of the Republicans book and know a few prominent Republicans who are in the closet. Leak a few to friendly press. Sounds harsh, but you know the same would happen in reverse.

Is Kerry an arse kicker? I hope he is. Bush couldn't match someone with personality and intelligence in a debate.

Everyone was so disappointed when you voted Bush in the first time, please, please don't do it again.
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Old 03-08-2004, 07:00 AM   #17
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'AWOL' is a curious choice of word, I thought for a second this thread was going to be about Kerry's Vietnam record.
same here


personally I find it truly sad that he was even allowed not to vote half the time
they could just as well pick me to take his place


then again
36% probably is about the same as the percentage of people who will show up to vote in the presidential elections
so it sounds like he may be the best man to represent your country
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Tyler,

A person not showing up to do the job they were elected to is a stupid issue? Help me out here. Why is it stupid to examine how many times he represented me?

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This is a legitimate complaint, I think, but I still plan to vote for Kerry this November. I'd rather have him in there than Bush based on his position on the issues.
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Exactly. Does Kerry's voting record mean I should seriously consider voting for the idiot who's President now?
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Anyway, I'm guessing that this post is not a real justification for a newfound hatred of Kerry, as much as this post is being used to justify a pre-existing hatred of Kerry for whatever reason. Seeing the voting records of previous Congressional presidential candidates, however, Kerry appears to be on par.
Couldn't this be said of your comments on GWB - not a real justification, just used to justify a pre-existing hatred of GWB?
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Exactly. Does Kerry's voting record mean I should seriously consider voting for the idiot who's President now?
Well, if Kerry will act as president only 36% of the time, that might even things out...
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Well, if Kerry will act as president only 36% of the time, that might even things out...
That sounds about right...
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Did he break the law ? I think that senator is also party politics,..he is elected by a democrate majority so his voters do not complain about not showing up to vote, because he is running for president. I think the Democrates have a bonus, they voted for a senator and they got a president candidate.


i would be worried more about his membership of the skull and bones group.
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http://www.fortune.com/fortune/fastf...0.html?cnn=yes

This may end up determining who is president in November. This is, also, much to Kerry's advantage. The angry white male may turn against Bush, if it thinks that it's job has been outsourced and may never come back.

Read the comments below the article too.

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Well, if Kerry will act as president only 36% of the time, that might even things out...
I think you're right!

36% of Kerry=100% of Bush!
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It scares the ever living sh*t out of me that an election like this has come down to these terms. I fear for America.
this is so sad but true.
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