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Old 03-20-2004, 08:50 AM   #1
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John Kerry opens mouth betrays the troops

[Q]‘Reckless’ and ‘Irresponsible?’
2003 Tape Shows Kerry Seemingly Backing $87 Billion in Iraq Funding He Voted Against

By Jake Tapper

March 19 — In an interview several weeks before he voted against $87 billion in funding for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., seemed to argue that such a vote would be reckless, irresponsible, and tantamount to abandoning U.S. troops.

On the Sept. 14, 2003, edition of CBS's Face the Nation, Kerry spoke at length about an amendment he and Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., were offering which would have paid for the $87 billion by delaying some of the recent tax cuts.

Asked if he would vote against the $87 billion if his amendment did not pass, Kerry said, "I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That's irresponsible." [/Q]

Then the VOTE and reaction from his own party:

[Q]Kerry was one of the 12 who voted against the funding. Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., also voted against the funding. Dean at the time seemed to support the Kerry approach, saying "if the president doesn't have a sufficient commitment to this operation to get rid of the $87 billion in tax cuts then we should vote no."

But Senate Democrats overwhelmingly took the other side of the issue. Biden, the co-sponsor of Kerry's amendment and the ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, voted for the funding, saying, "the cost of failure in Iraq would far exceed the price of peace." In a Democratic presidential debate, Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., who also voted for the funding, said, "I don't know how John Kerry and John Edwards can say they supported the war but then opposed the funding for the troops who went to fight the war that the resolution that they supported authorized." [/Q]


and John Kerry's explination:

[Q] "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."[/Q]


Hello.....Who is coaching this guy? Can we say flip flop? Can we say tell the truth?

Just explain to the people you wanted the nomination so BADLY that you sold out the troops so that the Democrats voting in the primary would see you as more in line with Dean. Tell the truth!!!!! The nomination was more important to you than giving troops the equiptment they needed.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/P..._040319-2.html

Oh...here is the BUSH AD. If Kerry wants to win the nomination, he had better start figuring out how to explain himself. Watch the AD..........the last line is politicaly priceless. DOUBLETALK.

http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Mult...spx?ID=753&T=2
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The first bill FOR funding supported by Kerry failed.



Second bill for funding PASSED. Was the second bill inferior?


I am sure if it FAILED like the FIRST bill there would have been a THIRD bill, perhaps a superior bill for FUNDING.



Recently there was a NRA sponsored bill that the maker of the bill and many Republicans voted AGAINST. The bill had been modified as to be unacceptable to them.



So the GOP has flip-flopped on the 2nd amendment.

Bill making is political, there are many versions of bills.


Often Senators and Congressmen vote for and against different versions of the same bills.


This misleading tactic is often used against McCain to say he does not support the Military or Veterans. It is beneath contempt and is a dishonest tactic devised for partisans. Some people can be easily manipulated because they do not take the time to investigate the facts.
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Yah.... watch this one...

http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Mult...spx?ID=743&T=2

Hey... I know what this country needs to do too! LOTS of people do.... unfortunately... that doesn't mean they should be President.

Knowing what needs to be done, and getting it done are two different things.

If you think I'm siding with Kerry, you're wrong... I dont really like any of the potential candidates -- they are all playing politics.

Can someone please show me evidence that the economy has grown under the Bush administration?

"I'm president bush and I approve of this message"

LOL, I sure as hell hope he does.. it was himself and his wife speaking.
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Some people can be easily manipulated because they do not take the time to investigate the facts.
Do you mean like how the majority of Americans were manipulated by the BUSH administration to believe that we needed to invade a country which was a clear and immediate danger to our "homeland" because it possessed WMDs?
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I'd like to add one more lil note....

Watch: http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Mult...spx?ID=749&T=2

Says that raising taxes is a bad thing.... funny... BUSH's fellow republican Governor ARRRRRRNOLD in California is doing exactly that... working on raising taxes because there is NO other way to get the state out of debt and back on track. The amazing thing is, everyone I've spoke to about the issue seems ok with it.. most responses go something like this: "Well, we've got to do what we've got to do, there isnt any other way around it."

I love how Bush simplifies everything to the point where he can manipulate the uneducated, uninformed, and ignorant.... and it seems intentional. Wouldn't it be better to EDUCATE the citizens of this country on the realities of the issues? I guess not according to Bush.
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If you think I'm siding with Kerry, you're wrong... I dont really like any of the potential candidates -- they are all playing politics.



unfortunately we only have TWO viable choices.


Bush

or


Kerry



many may want to vote for Nader or some other candidate.


I think they believe that if Nader gets a decent showing and when BUSH/ CHENEY run the country straight to HELL.

The Progressives will become a viable second party.


I don't want to live in HELL on a hope and a wish.


Throw BUSH/ Cheney on the dung heap of time. That may be too good for them.



VOTE KERRY.


BUSH WILL not flip/ flop

He will keep selling America and what it stands for down the drain for CORPORATE GREED.
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Oh deep... lol... I couldn't agree with you more.

Bush's motto should be "To hell or bust"
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Do you mean like how the majority of Americans were manipulated by the BUSH administration to believe that we needed to invade a country which was a clear and immediate danger to our "homeland" because it possessed WMDs?

That is one example.


This whole Troops funding bill is just partisan bullshit.



The link in the first post opens on page 2



this quote is from page 1


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Asked if he would vote against the $87 billion if his amendment did not pass, Kerry said, "I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That's irresponsible."

Kerry argued that his amendment offered a way to do it properly, "but I don't think anyone in the Congress is going to not give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able to defend themselves. We're not going to cut and run and not do the job."

Kerry spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said her boss' vote against the funding was a "protest vote."

At the time of the October 2003 vote, "The nation had four months before funds were needed but Republicans were hell-bent on moving this bill through as quickly as possible, before the tough questions could be asked and the president's failures would be discovered," Cutter said.

Cutter went on to say the Bush White House had threatened to veto the entire $87


So Kerry was for the bill and wanted it paid for now instead of dumping it on future generations , the school children, no child left behind, they will ALL pay for the sins of their fathers.


The President would have vetoed the the FUNDS for troops if billionaires could not have tax cuts.
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It still amazes me that the Republican party tried getting clinton impeached for conduct/lying about sex... .. but when it comes to lying about reasons for going to war (not to mention other issues), it's "A OK".
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"The impeachment of Bill Clinton made me embarrassed to be a Republican."


Who said that?













































Arnold Swartznegger.



The Partisan GOP power brokers in CA want to change the constitution so Arnold can be President.
Their internal polling says he can win hands down. The same group in 99/ 2000 found that W fared best against Gore because of name recognition (His fathers) and the bad taste left in peoples mouth by Clinton scandal.

That is why Bush 2000 only stump speech was “I will restore honor and dignity to the Whitehouse.”
He campaigned against Clinton and was an empty cipher for machine that has taken over the GOP.
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I do not think Kerry is anything like a "knight in shining armor" either. He's not above playing politics. But I'll take him over Bush. I don't think Nader will be a factor as his ballot access campaign is already running into problems due to a lack of interest. The press is more interested in his campaign than the electorate is.
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I don't think Nader will be a factor as his ballot access campaign is already running into problems due to a lack of interest

Will GOP related groups offer an assist here?
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Deep,

There was only one vote for a bill. Kerry wanted an amendment and it was shot down. When the bill came to a vote, Kerry voted against it.
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Will GOP related groups offer an assist here?
They might like to. But the Nader campaign tried to raise $30,000 for ballot access campaigns in North Carolina and Oklahoma, two of the hardest states to get ballot status for an independent candidate. They only raised $15,000. If you can't start a campaign to get a candidate on the fg ballot, it's a lost cause. Ballot access is incredibly difficult for independents and generally takes a party apparatus, at the very least.
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