John Kerry = Bush Lite?

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In recent months the more I've heard John Kerry speak and the more I've read stories quoting him, the more I've begun to think of him as "Bush Lite."

An editorial that appeared in the L.A. Times a week ago Sunday echoed and answered some of my thoughts and questions about Kerry.

I honestly don't think I can vote for this guy.

To me, he has no clear vision for the future except for regurgitating the themes and refining the policies of our current president.

He sounds more like another warmonger rather than someone who has a heart for peace. To wit:

He intends to continue Bush's policy of preemptively striking perceived ?evil-doer? powers and principalities across the globe. Wonderful.

He will institute -- as stated by the author of the Times editorial -- "a new domestic intelligence agency and a vastly beefed-up homeland security program." My response to that is "Are you fucking kidding me?"

More:

?Preventing terrorists from "gaining weapons of mass murder" is [Kerry?s] No. 1 security goal, and Kerry says he would strike first if any attack "appears imminent. " The senator promises to "use military force to protect American interests anywhere in the world, whenever necessary." On May 27 in Seattle, he promised to "take the fight to the enemy on every continent?"

Ugh. This guy is honestly the son of Bush.

But that?s the way it is in America. In this conservative nation, centrism (which here is much more conservative than liberal) is the platform on which most politicians struggle to stand, as they believe it?s the only way to get elected -- and they may be right.

So we?ve got two centrists (read ?conservatives?) from which to choose. And in this case even the less conservative guy is espousing ideas and values that fall far to the right. So in consequence, yet another U.S. election has ? for many of us -- come down to voting for the lesser of two evils.

Thing is, as much as I think Mr. Bush virtually committed a war crime with his lunacy-inspired invasion of Iraq, I cannot vote for another lousy candidate in the name of de-throning Bush, especially when said candidate might be just as bad ? and deluded -- as the incumbent.

I might not be able to vote for a president at all.

For those of us who are looking to see a degree of sanity restored to the U.S. Presidency, I guess we?re fucked.

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Kerry: a Lighter Shade of Bush

By William M. Arkin, William M. Arkin is a military affairs analyst who writes regularly for Opinion.
E-mail: warkin@igc.org

SOUTH POMFRET, Vt. ? Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry got a boost last week when 27 retired U.S. diplomats, admirals and four-star generals, including a number of prominent Republican appointees from former Bush and Reagan administrations, publicly urged Americans to vote President Bush out of office.

They did not explicitly endorse Kerry, but the old warriors and insiders find themselves far more comfortable with the Massachusetts senator than with Bush when it comes to their favorite subject. Not only has Kerry firmly surrounded himself with Clinton standard-bearers on foreign policy and defense, but he has espoused his own brand of warmongering.

I would love nothing better than to see Bush out of office, but Kerry is a gloomy alternative. Worse yet, in the short term, his "me too, only better" approach to the war on terrorism could actually serve to make the United States less safe.

Kerry's defense plans might be a slam-dunk for the atherosclerotic set in the national security community, but here is the alternative that the senator offers to Democrats and people of liberal values in November:

? no plan to withdraw from Iraq, not even the kind of "secret plan" the late President Nixon offered on Vietnam, and no change in Afghanistan;

? continuation of Bush's preemption policy;

? a larger military with many more special operations units, plus accelerated spending on "transformation," which in today's defense jargon means creation of greater capability to intervene around the world on short notice;

? a new domestic intelligence agency and a vastly beefed-up homeland security program.

Kerry's defense advisors see much of this as innocuous rhetoric to protect the Democratic candidate's flanks from traditional conservative accusations of being soft on national security. At the same time, it represents a calculated strategy to "keep your head low and win.

"In his stump speeches, Kerry stresses a spirited dose of alliances, the United Nations and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and a return to what he calls an "America that listens and leads again." He roundly criticizes the Bush administration on Iraq, Afghanistan and homeland security. He promises as commander in chief that he will never ask the troops "to fight a war without a plan to win the peace."

All that is to the good. Yet when Kerry describes the contemporary world, and the challenges that the U.S. faces, he sounds just like the president, the vice president and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. Terrorism, he says, "present the central national security challenge of our generation." Preventing terrorists from "gaining weapons of mass murder" is his No. 1 security goal, and Kerry says he would strike first if any attack "appears imminent. " The senator promises to "use military force to protect American interests anywhere in the world, whenever necessary." On May 27 in Seattle, he promised to "take the fight to the enemy on every continent" (I guess that probably doesn't include Antarctica).

Beyond rhetoric, Kerry proposes to add 40,000 troops to the Army and to double the "Special Forces capability to fight the war on terror," presumably jumping from the current 48,000 to 96,000.

On homeland security, there isn't a constituency that Kerry doesn't pander to. National Guard, local government, police, firefighters, public health services, even AmeriCorps ? the modest domestic equivalent of the Peace Corps ? all should be beefed up, he says, to "protect America." He even proposes a new "community defense service" of homeland security wardens ? la civil defense in the Cold War, which would surely be the looniest club that ever existed.

Even his serious proposals are problematic. The homeland security plan is defeatist and out of control. On the Army, though it sounds as if adding active-duty troops would solve the current overburden in Iraq and relieve the National Guard and reserves, the reality is that adding 40,000 to the end strength would take two or more years, according to one of Kerry's own advisors. Special Forces are even more difficult and time-consuming to manufacture.

But the biggest problem is that the basic premise of military growth is that we will continue to fight at the Bush pace. And relying more on special operations? That's the Rumsfeld doctrine: fast and light, covert and unaccountable. But anyone who is not an administration toady must recognize by now that ninja magicians can do only so much and that the cost of not having enough regular soldiers on the ground is a theme that runs from Tora Bora and the postwar insurgency in Iraq to the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

Special-ops troops tend to get you involved in, well, special operations. Making them a centerpiece of U.S. military planning and force structures builds a bias into the decision-making process that favors covert action and the unfortunate belief that we can prevail over terrorism by killing terrorists faster than they are recruited.

Kerry proposes these buildups because he accepts the central premise of the Bush administration: Terrorists are so threatening that we must sacrifice our liberties, change our government and military and, ultimately, our way of life in order to fight them.

In this 60th anniversary year of D-day, I find it astounding that anyone could be so callous and ahistorical as to point to the threat we faced from a Nazi foe that truly had the capacity to destroy our way of life and compare it to a few thousand or even a few tens of thousands of terrorists who, at their worst, can do no more than threaten to panic Western society with random bloodshed. It is equally absurd to compare the war on terrorism to the Cold War, when the United States could literally have been destroyed by thousands of nuclear weapons (a possibility, though not a threat, that persists today from Russian and Chinese nukes).

Challenge the Hysteria

Intelligent people, and I assume that includes Kerry, must begin to challenge the basic premise behind the post-9/11 hysteria. Terrorists may be a growing threat, and we may be unprepared to deal with the challenges they pose, but they have no hope of destroying our society. Only we can do that.

By overstating the threat and overreacting to incidents, we not only give terrorists exactly what they seek, but we seem to create a panicked environment that clouds our judgment when it comes to intelligence, propels us into military adventures abroad and distorts our priorities at home.

Americans should demand a certain level of competence and accountability from their government to protect them, but the Bush (and Kerry) approach is not securing a peaceful future. In fact, the entire war on terrorism, based on the false assumption that it is a war for our survival, seems to be feeding hatred and aggravating the fault lines.

We need to rethink this problem, pure and simple, and Kerry needs to unburden himself from the conventional wisdom.

Otherwise, for many in the Islamic world, Kerry's adoption of the Bush administration's worldview and strategies merely reinforces the idea that the United States is indeed the problem, that there is a clash of civilizations that only might can resolve and that Islam will be an American target no matter who is president. If reducing terrorist attacks is the goal, I can't imagine more dangerous perceptions to foster.

The United States would be safer with a Democratic political platform that demonstrated fundamental disagreement about our current course.

It's tough in a campaign season to stop worrying about the polling booth and start thinking afresh about national security. So here is one final argument against Kerry's muscle-bound "me-too-ism," an argument rooted in domestic, not foreign, policy concerns: For young people energized by the Howard Dean campaign, for liberals and the silent majority, Kerry's carbon-copy campaign conveys the impression that political involvement doesn't matter. Whether you back Kerry, stay home, vote for Ralph Nader or stick with the Bush team, the result will be the same.

If revitalizing American democracy and reinforcing its most precious values are our key objectives, I can't imagine a worse message for a Democratic presidential candidate to be sending.
 
Kerry is Bush-like no doubt, but I'd rather have Kerry as prez.
If Bush is re-elected...err.....steals the election again, this country
will go back to the stone age.
 
Son of Bush...never, Bush lite I find insulting. Now he's more moderate and closer to Bush than I would actually desire, but you have to take the times into the equation. I think if he spoke too much about specifics and didn't speak about security then he'd lose a lot of ground.

Bush and Kerry are not woven from the same cloth and that I'm glad for. They may be too close to each other but it comes down to a lesser of the evils, it's a sad state of affairs.
 
The Democrats appear to have no balls. If Kerry differed too much from Bush on terrorism/evil doers etc he'd be labelled as weak on security and he'd be f*cked by a population who for the most part don't care for the details, just the soundbites, headlines and propaganda.

Kerry looks like a terrible choice. But I think he's way better than 4 more years of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld with a 'nothing to lose' attitude.
 
His only real platform is that he's not Bush. That's not good enough, as he could be worse than Bush. He thinks he can sneak in based on people's dissatisfaction with Bush. Well, show me a real good reason he is so much better, I don't see it. Let's hear what he is about, what he wants to do with our country, not just that he isn't Bush! I don't know why so many of you are on his bandwagon. He hasn't even said he'd change a thing in Iraq. I don't see anything great about him, and I will not vote for someone just to get rid of Bush, I don't hate Bush that bad. I don't like him, but I don't see Kerry as any improvement. I don't like or trust any career politician :down:
 
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It's not a good situation. The real problem is, if Kerry were more liberal, he'd be in trouble from negative ads from Republicans, and a populace that's more interested in thirty second soundbites on the evening news than substance. He'd be getting assailed as "another Dukakis", "soft on terrorism", etc, etc. I think that Kerry is basically a "centrist" in the context of Democratic party politics, and Bush is a good bit more to the right. I don't think Kerry would have Ashcroft or Rumsfeld in his cabinet. All political candidates have their faults, and Kerry is certainly no exception. I will listen carefully to his acceptance speech in Boston next month. I'm the kind of person who likes to look on the bright side of things. I just hope there *is* a bright side to this situation. I'm not sure that there is, to be perfectly honest. Oh well, one can always hope.
 
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Interesting. I have yet to see someone articulate why Kerry is the leader they would follow.

Seems like he is only the best alternative to Bush.
 
pub crawler said:


Kerry himself cannot even articulate why he would be a leader worth "following."

I used to joke that I wanted to steal Vaclav Havel from the Czechs to be President of the U.S. Now that he's retired I can't even plot to steal a good foreign leader. :wink:
 
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U2Kitten said:
His only real platform is that he's not Bush. That's not good enough, as he could be worse than Bush. He thinks he can sneak in based on people's dissatisfaction with Bush. Well, show me a real good reason he is so much better, I don't see it. Let's hear what he is about, what he wants to do with our country, not just that he isn't Bush! I don't know why so many of you are on his bandwagon. He hasn't even said he'd change a thing in Iraq. I don't see anything great about him, and I will not vote for someone just to get rid of Bush...

I couldn't agree more. You've articulated the problem perfectly.
 
U2Kitten said:
His only real platform is that he's not Bush. That's not good enough, as he could be worse than Bush. He thinks he can sneak in based on people's dissatisfaction with Bush. Well, show me a real good reason he is so much better, I don't see it. Let's hear what he is about, what he wants to do with our country, not just that he isn't Bush! I don't know why so many of you are on his bandwagon. He hasn't even said he'd change a thing in Iraq. I don't see anything great about him, and I will not vote for someone just to get rid of Bush, I don't hate Bush that bad. I don't like him, but I don't see Kerry as any improvement. I don't like or trust any career politician :down:

Well being that he's not Bush is not only good enough for some, but a very welcomed relief for many.

One thing about Iraq that Kerry has said time and time again that I agree with and hope to see happen is that he want's to build a true coalition with troops and $$$. This "coalition" we have now is a joke. At least Kerry recognises this, he's not coming into the White House with the arrogance that this "war" on terror can be fought with a facade of a coalition and the bridges to our allies burning all around us. Just the fact that he even recognises that this is how this should be approached is good enough for me, that's how bad I believe Bush fucked up this thing.
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:


Well being that he's not Bush is not only good enough for some, but a very welcomed relief for many.

One thing about Iraq that Kerry has said time and time again that I agree with and hope to see happen is that he want's to build a true coalition with troops and $$$. This "coalition" we have now is a joke. At least Kerry recognises this, he's not coming into the White House with the arrogance that this "war" on terror can be fought with a facade of a coalition and the bridges to our allies burning all around us. Just the fact that he even recognises that this is how this should be approached is good enough for me, that's how bad I believe Bush fucked up this thing.

Good points. They've done the "handover" of power in Iraq, but the killings are continuing. There were two attacks and several killings in Iraq today. I'm afraid that the Wahhabist terrorists are going to continue their attacks. It's a mess. There's nothing to keep Wahhabists from Saudi Arabia and perhaps Deobandis from Pakistan out. Both these groups are Sunni, and the new Iraqi leader is a Shia Muslim. Wahhabists in particular hate Shias. These people are extremist nuts. We just can't pull all of our troops out of there now. The new leaders don't want that, for one thing. These new Iraqi leaders are going to need help to succeed. I certainly wish them success in their endeavors. The Iraqis deserve no less.
 
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When I was watching the debates on TV just before the 2000 election, I had a hell of a time telling the difference between Bush and Gore. To me Bush actually seemed somewhat of a moderate compared to what he has turned out to be in office. Let's face it, there's no way we can really tell what a candidates are truly going to be like as president until they actually move into the White House. They just say whatever they think will get them elected. And that's true of Kerry as well. Maybe it's a bit of a gamble voting for him, but I like the odds with him better than I do with Bush.
 
People in Canada just voted for the lesser evil because they did not want Bush Part Deux here. And their voices were heard. Do not underestimate people's revulsion of Bush.

I don't know what Kerry stands for either and I would not vote Dem anyway, since they're far too right for my liking. But I find Bush to be so incredibly offensive on every possible level that I can completely understand people wanting to vote for anyone but him.
 
pub crawler said:
In recent months the more I've heard John Kerry speak and the more I've read stories quoting him, the more I've begun to think of him as "Bush Lite."

An editorial that appeared in the L.A. Times a week ago Sunday echoed and answered some of my thoughts and questions about Kerry.

I honestly don't think I can vote for this guy.

To me, he has no clear vision for the future except for regurgitating the themes and refining the policies of our current president.

He sounds more like another warmonger rather than someone who has a heart for peace.

I think that if Kerry is elected, he will need to finish what Bush has started. I believe that if Kerry is elected the country will once again pay attention to the middle class/poor vs. the rich. Editorials are only opinions. Check out John Kerry's campaign and see if you like what you read.

http://www.johnkerry.com

Iraq:

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/iraq/
 
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BostonAnne said:


I think that if Kerry is elected, he will need to finish what Bush has started. I believe that if Kerry is elected the country will once again pay attention to the middle class/poor vs. the rich. Editorials are only opinions.

These are good points as well. I haven't even read an editorial in months. They're sometimes useful but rarely authoritative. I get my news from the Internet from both U.S. and foreign sources.
 
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anitram said:
I don't know what Kerry stands for either and I would not vote Dem anyway, since they're far too right for my liking.
:wink::up:

But I find Bush to be so incredibly offensive on every possible level that I can completely understand people wanting to vote for anyone but him.
I can also understand this viewpoint. I just don't know that I can be one of those people. I am fed up with the spinelessness of the Dems and I am fed up with the Fucked-Up-In-the-Head Four, i.e. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz and the disaster they've created in Iraq, and for Kerry to be speaking the same Homeland Security bullshit language as these freaks is enough for me to dismiss him as an electable candidate.




BostonAnne said:
I think that if Kerry is elected, he will need to finish what Bush has started.
I don't disagree. The question is, how will Kerry sort out the mess? In my opinion, he does very much come across in his words as someone who will continue the "War on Terror"-based fearmongering, insane policies of Bush, with some refinements (and not neccesarily positive refinements, either). I find that troubling.

Plus, isn't it too late for Kerry to seek global cooperation on Iraq? What's done is done. The invasion is a complete disaster and it isn't hard to figure that we will see stateside terrorist acts of revenge in the near future. Of course, if there is a terrorist act in the U.S. during Bush's tenure, that will only work to his favor. Bush will turn up the volume of the fearmongering and his millions of non-questioning followers will fall in line. It's all too predictable. I can hardly wait. :|

I believe that if Kerry is elected the country will once again pay attention to the middle class/poor vs. the rich. Editorials are only opinions. Check out John Kerry's campaign and see if you like what you read.

http://www.johnkerry.com

Iraq:

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/iraq/
I will check out those links, BostonAnne. Thanks.
 
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I can also understand this viewpoint. I just don't know that I can be one of those people. I am fed up with the spinelessness of the Dems and I am fed up with the Fucked-Up-In-the-Head Four, i.e. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz and the disaster they've created in Iraq, and for Kerry to be speaking the same Homeland Security bullshit language as these freaks is enough for me to dismiss him as an electable candidate.

Oh, I agree with you there 100%.

In Canada, we were in a similar situation. The Conservatives were gaining (hello Bush Part Deux), and the Liberals were saying, it's better to vote for us, save ourselves from Republican lunacy. Well, I went and voted for the NDP, which is the leftist social democratic party here, but unlike in the US, it actually has party status, and gets people elected and will play a major role.

It's hard not to vote your conscience, although I'm not sure what I would have done if it was a dead heat race.
 
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pub crawler said:

Plus, isn't it too late for Kerry to seek global cooperation on Iraq? What's done is done.

I don't think it's ever to late to set things right. We should be allowed to learn and grow from our mistakes.
 
The way I see it the situation is Iraq is just totally unpredictable. I was wary of action in Iraq precisely because I thought the situation was too unpredictable and volatile. Now there are Wahhabist jerk terrorists on the loose all over, and I don't believe these nuts give a damn who's sitting in the Oval Office. They give a damn that U.S. troops are in Iraq. They *might* want to spit out their guts on anyone who's not Arabic or Muslim. The new leader is a Shia Muslim. To a Wahhabist a Shia Muslim isn't a Muslim, he or she is an infidel. Of the four who were busted for the bombing of the Shia mosque, two were from Saudi Arabia, two were Iraqi Wahhabists. They've killed Brits, Poles, Ukrainians, Koreans........no matter what we do in November with the election, I'm afraid we've just got a hell of a mess on our hands because our troops are stuck in there. So I think you may be right pub crawler, it just might be too late to clean this mess up. Fifteen months of incompetence has already happened. It's a damn shame. I really feel bad for all of the sane, non-terrorist types in Iraq. They deserve better.
 
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verte76 said:
...Now there are Wahhabist jerk terrorists on the loose all over, and I don't believe these nuts give a damn who's sitting in the Oval Office. They give a damn that U.S. troops are in Iraq. They *might* want to spit out their guts on anyone who's not Arabic or Muslim.

Oh, I think this is a foregone conclusion. I wonder how many Americans realize the extent of the mess we are in as a result of the "liberation" of Iraq as carried out by messrs. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz. My guess is that most people are in an intellectual slumber. Most Americans probably feel that things must be okay because, after all, Iraq has been given back its sovereignty. lol. *shakes head*

I think it's utterly predictable that in the near future there will be a terrorist act committed on U.S. soil as an act of revenge, and this will work in Mr. Bush's favor. He's really set himself up nicely.
 
There is a an article in the new TIME magazine about the "new Jihad" in Iraq. These people are going to act come hell or high water. They have yet to round up the big shot terrorist from Jordan (damn, I forget how to spell his name--I'm a linguistic klutz). Iraq is going to be a breeding ground for terrorists for years to come, I'm afraid. What can *anyone* do at this point?
 
While I agree Kerry is Bush-lite when it comes to Nat'l Security and Iraq, he couldn't be farther from Bush on issues such as the environment, healthcare, women's issues, affirmative action and other social issues

Keeping Bush from nominating a Supreme Court judge is enough to keep him from a second term.

I mean when a sitting CIA terrorist expert calls Iraq a Christmas present for Osama, things have got to be pretty bad and I think he should go on Iraq alone.
 
Scarletwine said:
While I agree Kerry is Bush-lite when it comes to Nat'l Security and Iraq, he couldn't be farther from Bush on issues such as the environment, healthcare, women's issues, affirmative action and other social issues

I always here such statements, but when the Presidency changes from R to D or D to R, very little changes in our world.
 
I'd be more afraid of Kerry appointing a judge :reject:
 
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Scarletwine said:
While I agree Kerry is Bush-lite when it comes to Nat'l Security and Iraq, he couldn't be farther from Bush on issues such as the environment, healthcare, women's issues, affirmative action and other social issues

I like Kerry on domestic policy. It's his foreign policy that's a question mark for me. :confused: :confused:
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:


Why because he'll appoint judges that actually respect the separation of church and state? Yes that will be terrible.

that's unfair. i still haven't decided who to vote for but part of me would rather have bush appoint judges due to being pro-life. and my reasons for being pro-life don't simply fall under "church" reasons, but that's a whole different thread (note: please people do not start an abortion argument in this thread). i'm first in line in support of the separation between church and state. this being said there are reasons i wouldn't want bush appointing judges as well. i don't think either of us know kitten well enough to assume that she has no respect for the separation between church and state.
 
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